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#openstack-nova - 2024-11-29
16:03:51 sean-k-mooney ildikov: so we can add a link to the current release
16:03:54 sean-k-mooney ya
16:04:32 sean-k-mooney also i might be going senile in my mid 30s but i tought it used to be in the topic or the irc channel
16:04:48 sean-k-mooney when we used runways it definatlly was
16:05:10 sean-k-mooney but i think when we moved form freenode to oftc we lost the ablity to have per channel topics in the same way
16:05:29 sean-k-mooney so i would like to add it to the channel topic if we can i just dont know where/host to do that
16:06:32 ildikov yeah, that would be great to have it in the IRC channel header as well
16:07:03 sean-k-mooney i dont have op here but maybe we can ask infra about htat
16:07:21 sean-k-mooney basically somethign liek "This channel is for Nova development https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2025.1-status. For support of Nova deployments, please use #openstack"
16:08:34 sean-k-mooney or "This channel is for Nova development | development-planning: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2025.1-status"
16:16:19 ildikov I'll try to figure that out
16:16:43 ildikov apparently you don't need op to make that change, but I wasn't able to
16:17:02 ildikov I think my nick name is not registered anymore, which might be the issue
16:39:47 sean-k-mooney i had the same issue but my nic is defintly registered
16:41:43 sean-k-mooney i get "#openstack-nova: You're not channel operator"
16:41:46 sean-k-mooney when i try
16:45:18 sean-k-mooney bybe we need to message ChanServ to do this instead of using /topic
16:45:28 sean-k-mooney *maybe
16:52:38 ildikov could be
16:52:48 ildikov can check with OpenDev folks next week
16:53:19 sean-k-mooney i tried setting it via chanserve and the TOPIC comamnd is not availbale
16:56:29 ildikov yeah, I got to that point too
16:56:50 sean-k-mooney we do not have autoop enabled iether but most of the infra folks are listed as channle masters so we can always ask them to change it
16:57:06 sean-k-mooney but ya let leave them enjoy there break
16:57:14 ildikov +1 :)
17:00:45 sean-k-mooney #topic "This channel is for Nova development | development-planning: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2025.1-status"
17:01:17 ildikov I have an appointment, I'll add the paragraph we talked about to the docs patch afterward
17:01:23 sean-k-mooney :( i was wondering if meetbot was listing outside of meeting but i guess i cant hack the system tyat way
17:01:42 sean-k-mooney ack no rush thanks for doing this o/
17:01:53 ildikov good try though! :)
17:02:02 ildikov sure thing, happy to help!
17:02:20 ildikov if you're not around by the time I'm back, have a nice weekend!
18:10:18 frickler sean-k-mooney: ildikov: ^^ like that?
18:27:18 ildikov frickler: Thank you for the update!
18:28:41 ildikov There was one note about using the #openstack channel, prolly for ops questions. Not sure if the team wants to keep that over logs.
18:29:05 ildikov Other than that the change looks good to me
19:31:48 gmann sean-k-mooney: ildikov I think instead of cycle specific etherpad in topic, we should add this page https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/contributing.html
19:32:43 gmann and etherpad of every cycle can be updated in this page. The main goal of this page is to 'have everything what new contributors need or current status of Nova processs/tasks'
19:41:09 opendevreview Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova master: Update contributor process documentation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/936759
19:43:23 opendevreview Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: vTPM live migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/936775
19:44:02 opendevreview Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: vTPM live migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/936775
19:44:21 opendevreview Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: vTPM live migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/936775
19:52:24 opendevreview Ghanshyam proposed openstack/nova master: Add current release task tracking etherpad in contributing.html https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/936776
19:55:13 gmann sean-k-mooney: ildikov ^^ something like this and then add this page in channel Topic as a single place to get all information https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/contributing.html
19:57:29 sean-k-mooney[m] gmann: the spec repo supprts redirect so maybe we could have a short like or something to the current on
19:58:27 gmann sean-k-mooney[m]: did not get. you mean some short url in Topic?
19:59:35 sean-k-mooney[m] in the topic or docs like with the reqirment redirects
19:59:39 ildikov gmann: I'm ok with your link placement, but the process still needs to be outlined
19:59:52 gmann sean-k-mooney[m]: cinder channel use https://tiny.cc/ to short the url but I am not sure if that is good idea and how long tiny.cc can hold/support url
20:00:28 gmann ildikov: we do have that right, I mean all detail doc can be linked from contributing.html
20:00:40 gmann contributing.html is also shown as first page on github repo
20:01:06 ildikov sure, that works
20:01:19 sean-k-mooney[m] im fine with just updating it in the doc each release too
20:01:26 sean-k-mooney[m] so we dont have to make it fancy
20:01:57 gmann yeah and this way it can be referred from non-IRC users also
20:03:22 opendevreview Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/nova master: Update contributor process documentation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/936759
20:03:52 gmann channel topic as "This channel is for Nova development | development process, planning: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/contributing.html | this channel is logged at https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/ "
20:03:58 gmann sean-k-mooney[m]: ildikov ^^ like this?
20:04:48 sean-k-mooney[m] if we are going to update the topic then a direct link is beter
20:05:08 gmann contributing.html is more consistent across all the openstack projects so it will be easy to have i fill/link with all required info
20:05:11 sean-k-mooney[m] i.e. lets not send them to the docs just to send them else where
20:05:35 sean-k-mooney[m] i would personally would be annoyed by that but that just me
20:06:17 gmann sean-k-mooney[m]: but etherpad as direct link is just a one information to them but to know complete process of team/contact detail/how to merge patch etc are in contributing.html
20:06:22 sean-k-mooney[m] we can see what others think next week in the team meeting \
20:06:43 gmann ++
20:06:54 ildikov it depends on whether the assumption is that most people who got to this channel already know some of the basics and would benefit from the direct link to development planning
20:07:21 sean-k-mooney[m] well the ehterpad as i said is not required
20:07:22 ildikov or if we expect more people popping up here still being in need of the top-level doc for how to contribute
20:07:43 sean-k-mooney[m] its just an extra place to help the core reviews to organise some things
20:07:57 sean-k-mooney[m] itis somethign i personally dont partically like
20:08:10 sean-k-mooney[m] but it helps sylvain so we have it
20:08:31 gmann for me, Topic users are more of new people, anyone already know Nova ask core or in meeting
20:09:16 gmann For example, how many of us who are active in IRC/project read the Topic. I have not for many channel I am active in
20:09:45 sean-k-mooney[m] i normally only look at it for the link to the ehterpad
20:09:50 gmann this is more of new people who want to join this channel can know about what this channel is for and how to get involved
20:09:58 gmann ohk
20:10:04 sean-k-mooney[m] i.e. form when it used to have the runway etherpad link
20:10:13 gmann i see
20:10:33 sean-k-mooney[m] but thats just mucel memory becuase it used ot be there when we were on freenode
20:10:43 sean-k-mooney[m] most probaly dont
20:10:54 sean-k-mooney[m] the other thing i check it for is is there a meeting currently
20:11:03 sean-k-mooney[m] i.e when joining a differnt channle before talking
20:11:20 sean-k-mooney[m] but ya im not sure new commers would do that
20:11:53 ildikov getting into this channel is not trivial for a newcomer, so my assumption is that they probably already got through some contributor documentation before getting here
20:13:13 sean-k-mooney[m] its funny becuase this was actully one of the eaiser things to get invovled in when i first stated
20:13:55 sean-k-mooney[m] i had nver used irc before working on openstack and i remember that being one of the eaiser things to get set up
20:14:24 ildikov I loved IRC when I joined the community, I used it a little bit in high school
20:14:46 ildikov but I joined OpenStack over a decade now...
20:14:51 ildikov crazy to think about it
20:15:03 sean-k-mooney[m] getting my company to approve the icla, removing the email fotter on all company emails or allow code submition took months
20:15:09 opendevreview Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: vTPM live migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/936775
20:15:11 ildikov and the chat tool landscape only got crazier since then
20:17:15 sean-k-mooney[m] no joke when i first started working on openstack intel required me to email a set of virus scan reulst to a qe person before ei could submit a patch to gerrit….
20:17:53 ildikov oh wow
20:18:35 ildikov I had a few chats with lawyers, but it still wasn't *that* bad
20:19:26 sean-k-mooney[m] it took 6 months to explain why that was entirly unworkable. at the time they site i was working on didnt really have expirnce with doing code contibutions to upstream and condierd each a release as if we were putting the contibution on intel.com to download
20:20:40 ildikov yeah, I can see how it's hard when there's an internal process that someone could map to code contribution
20:21:38 sean-k-mooney[m] we had to do the full secure software development lifecyle review and get leagal sign off on the licene and icla terms ecta. so anyway thats all in the past
20:21:52 sean-k-mooney[m] a lot has changed since 2013
20:22:49 sean-k-mooney[m] it might be worth puthing the link to the contibutor page in the readme of the git repo too

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