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#openstack-nova - 2022-06-21
16:38:36 elodilles also note, i'm not completely against backporting func test refactors, but i still think it is best to keep it in a low level and we should not backport massive refactors :/
16:39:12 gibi elodilles: it is a tradeoff, either you take the risk by backporting the refactor or take the risk when you backport a fix that needs to be changed due to the missing refactor
16:39:33 gibi artom: 3 lines! come on! :)
16:39:33 sean-k-mooney well or we drop the functest on backport
16:39:43 elodilles if a refactor breaks something then we don't have the bandwidth to keep it maintained i think. stable should be stable :(
16:39:45 artom The one on top is a bit bigger ^_^
16:39:46 gibi I strongly against droping the func test on backport
16:39:56 artom elodilles, so that was the crux of my argument
16:40:09 artom Red Hat *will* maintain stable/train for literally years, we have no choice
16:40:28 sean-k-mooney well at least 2.5 more
16:40:29 artom But we don't want to inflict pain on anyone maintaining older than stable/train
16:40:38 artom So: do those folks... well, exist? :)
16:41:01 artom At Summit, what release did operators say they were on?
16:41:05 sean-k-mooney technially we still maintain queens downstream too for a while more
16:41:42 sean-k-mooney but i would prefer to have the backports of the func infra as that makes backporting simpelr in the long run
16:41:45 gibi artom: there were no specifics other than what is in the etherpad
16:42:01 artom So only "train or older" with no info if it's train... or older :(
16:42:43 elodilles should have been added 'train' + 'stein and older' :D
16:43:24 artom Yeah :S
16:44:34 artom So compared to stable/train, there are 4 patches last updated this year, compared to train's ~50
16:44:53 elodilles why not https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/stein ?
16:45:04 artom Because I suck at alphabet :P
16:45:09 elodilles o:)
16:45:36 artom Seems to be mostly Felix and Vlad Gusev...
16:45:50 artom But similar level of involvement drop-off
16:46:21 elodilles a bit more patch but without reviews, yes :/
16:46:24 gibi so what if we say, func infra backport are OK to stable/train as there are maintainers there but not further backwards
16:46:44 gibi due to lack of maintainers
16:47:04 elodilles gibi: that is good for RH but not really helps to encourage backporting for older branches
16:47:26 sean-k-mooney well even train is in em now right
16:47:34 artom I think elodilles's point is that if we rewrite the fixes to not need func test refactors *before* train, it helps maintainers of older branches, such as they are
16:47:48 sean-k-mooney given the peopel we have its hard to keep maintianing older branches
16:47:57 keerthi can some one help on review this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/define-max-volume-limit-at-flavor ?
16:47:58 sean-k-mooney train is 5 releases old currently
16:48:03 artom If we backport func test refactors, we're offloading that rewriting work onto whoever is still working with rocky and older
16:48:14 gibi keerthi: we are in a meeting right now
16:49:04 artom OTOH, why would it be wrong of facilitating the work of the majority?
16:49:10 gibi so we say no func test backport as it there is no maintainers but also we say if we dont backport func infra then we dont have maintaniers, this is contradiction now
16:49:12 sean-k-mooney keerthi: we can proably discuss it after the meeting or when we are done with this topic
16:49:31 keerthi sure Sean, I will wait for it
16:50:23 elodilles anyway, i have said my preference, and i'm only one of the stable maintainers o:)
16:50:52 gibi either we don't have stein maintainers and then I don't feel back about not helping them, or we have maintainers and the I would ask them to backport the func refactor from train to stein
16:51:01 gibi s/back/bad/
16:51:45 gibi and I would help them by backporting the refactor up until train
16:51:56 gibi that would be a win-win
16:52:00 artom gibi, hard to argue with that
16:52:37 gibi elodilles: would you be -1 on a func infra backport to stable/train?
16:52:46 gibi (or even -2?)
16:53:01 elodilles 'func infra'?
16:53:12 gibi functional test infrastructure backport
16:53:30 artom As opposed to infrastructure that's really grooooovey :D
16:53:31 gibi like the one artom linked above
16:53:54 elodilles so you mean zuul jobs change?
16:54:06 elodilles (i've lost in the links :))
16:54:11 artom No, stuff like https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/791481/1
16:54:14 artom For example
16:54:38 gibi elodilles: changes that are not adding a bugfix but refactoring the functional test infrastrucutre
16:54:49 gibi like backporting helpers from newer branches
16:54:51 artom I mean, if https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/751364 is allowed...
16:54:59 bauzas sorry, it took longer than expected :(
16:55:10 artom And https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/751363/3
16:55:28 artom Honestly, with those last 2, we've set the precedent that func test refactors are fair game
16:55:46 sean-k-mooney artom: wasnt the main issue with the backport you did that you skipped ussui by the way
16:56:01 artom sean-k-mooney, that's a different series, and I fixed that
16:56:07 sean-k-mooney oh ok
16:56:12 sean-k-mooney nevermind then
16:56:24 gibi we are running out of time and still had on point on the agenda
16:56:39 elodilles artom: we did backport simple&small func test refactors in the past
16:57:33 elodilles gibi: if we are waiting for my vote: as i said, i'd prefer not, but not against :)
16:57:50 elodilles so no -2 from me
16:57:57 gibi OK, so if you are not blocking such backport then we are done
16:58:06 gibi artom: anything else?
16:58:13 bauzas so, MHO is that we should be picky if needed
16:58:33 elodilles bauzas: +2
16:58:34 bauzas anyway, time flies
16:58:53 gibi sure still proper review on those patches but not blanket -2
16:59:02 bauzas my other point can be deferred to next week
16:59:02 artom gibi, nope, I'm coming away from this with the understanding that func test refactors are fair game if they help make the fixes cleaner and easier to backport (and increase confidence in the reproducer test)
16:59:10 gibi ack
16:59:21 gibi moving on then
16:59:22 gibi (bauzas) Opportunities for low-hanging-fruits, anyone ? (only if we have time left)
16:59:31 gibi 40 secs :)
16:59:32 bauzas no time, let's punt to next week
16:59:36 gibi ack
16:59:46 gibi any last minute issue to raise today?
16:59:50 bauzas tl;dr: think about how to help on-off contributors like interns
17:00:10 gibi #endmeeting
17:00:10 opendevmeet Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 17:00:10 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
17:00:10 opendevmeet Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-06-21-15.59.html
17:00:10 opendevmeet Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-06-21-15.59.txt
17:00:10 opendevmeet Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-06-21-15.59.log.html
17:00:21 gibi thanks folks for joining
17:00:23 elodilles thanks gibi o/
17:00:26 bauzas thanks a lot gibi for running this one, I owe you some coin
17:00:37 gibi keerthi: sorry for the delay
17:00:50 gibi keerthi: so lets try that now
17:03:16 keerthi thanks sean
17:03:29 artom bauzas, hopefully not bitcoin
17:03:41 gibi nah it is cheap now
17:03:53 keerthi sean, this is the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/define-max-volume-limit-at-flavor

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