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2016-12-19 10:37Alan Bourke : [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 11:09Ken Dibble : Re: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 11:37Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 12:59Michael Glassman : RE: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 14:10Alan Bourke : Re: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 17:00John R. Sowden : Re: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 17:09Gene Wirchenko : RE: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 19:05Michael Glassman : RE: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 19:23Ken Dibble : RE: [NF] Arago
2016-12-19 19:35Kurt at VR-FX : Re: [NF] Arago
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[NF] Arago

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2016-12-19 10:37:26   Link

Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of - apparently

it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech which I

believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

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Re: [NF] Arago

Author: Ken Dibble

Posted: 2016-12-19 11:09:53   Link

>Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of - apparently

>it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech which I

>believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

My recollection is that Arago bought dbXL, which was the system I

used before I got into VFP. At the time when I was using dbXL, if you

wanted the ability to compile your code into an executable, you had

to buy the separate Arago compiler. This would produce, unlike VFP,

which is an "interpreted" language, a fully self-contained executable

with no dependencies. However, there were significant differences in

behavior between the uncompiled code as run in the dbXL command

window, and the compiled executable, especially with regard to

processing of keystrokes and with the display of higher-order ASCII

"box" characters. I had to do a search-and-replace routine on my code

to deal with those issues every time I wanted to compile a version.

dbXL became unusable as a result of the millenium, because it stored

dates containing two-digit years in its version of dbf files every

time those files were opened.

It was an excellent system in its time though, and it had a fantastic

help manual which enabled me to teach myself how to use it.

dbXL contained no report engine. At the recommendation of a

consultant, I bought the Focus Report Writer, but because its manual,

unlike that of dbXL, basically sucked, I wasn't able to figure out

how to use it. I did all my reports with @ SAY...GET commands.

Ken Dibble

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Re: [NF] Arago

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2016-12-19 11:37:31   Link

Here's an ad from 1992:

https://books.google.com/books?id=3D0EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA12&ots=AEALCrHqG6&dq=dbXL%20dbase%20database&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=dbXL%20dbase%20database&f=false

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of - apparently

> it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech which I

> believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

>

>

> --

>

> Alan Bourke

>

> alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

>

>

>

>

>

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RE: [NF] Arago

Author: Michael Glassman

Posted: 2016-12-19 12:59:56   Link

Here's a PC Magazine review from 1992, with comparisons to FoxPro 2.0, which

was released one year earlier. FoxPro was faster, but it lacked such a

complete compiler.

https://books.google.com/books?id=hnvCf6WlcYcC&pg=PP46&lpg=PP46&dq=arago+pro

fessional&source=bl&ots=CYTybALpXo&sig=yr1ebEAKHHLpSO8_jUHgoNzdqhE&hl=en&sa=

X&ved=0ahUKEwjR-JjI9oDRAhUKw1QKHXltAqAQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=arago%20professi

onal&f=false

Mike

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Here's an ad from 1992:

https://books.google.com/books?id=3D0EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA12&ots=AEALCrHqG6&dq=db

XL%20dbase%20database&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=dbXL%20dbase%20database&f=false

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm>

wrote:

> Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of -

> apparently it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech

> which I believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

>

>

> --

>

> Alan Bourke

>

> alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

>

>

>

>

>

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Re: [NF] Arago

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2016-12-19 14:10:06   Link

More like Clipper then in a way, i.e. compiles to a self-contained EXE.

Interesting.

--

Alan Bourke

alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016, at 06:59 PM, Michael Glassman wrote:

> Here's a PC Magazine review from 1992, with comparisons to FoxPro 2.0,

> which

> was released one year earlier. FoxPro was faster, but it lacked such a

> complete compiler.

>

> https://books.google.com/books?id=hnvCf6WlcYcC&pg=PP46&lpg=PP46&dq=arago+pro

> fessional&source=bl&ots=CYTybALpXo&sig=yr1ebEAKHHLpSO8_jUHgoNzdqhE&hl=en&sa=

> X&ved=0ahUKEwjR-JjI9oDRAhUKw1QKHXltAqAQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=arago%20professi

> onal&f=false

>

> Mike

>

>

>

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> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted

> Roche

> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:38 AM

> To: profoxtech@leafe.com

> Subject: Re: [NF] Arago

>

> Here's an ad from 1992:

>

> https://books.google.com/books?id=3D0EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA12&ots=AEALCrHqG6&dq=db

> XL%20dbase%20database&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=dbXL%20dbase%20database&f=false

>

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm>

> wrote:

> > Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of -

> > apparently it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech

> > which I believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Alan Bourke

> >

> > alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

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Re: [NF] Arago

Author: John R. Sowden

Posted: 2016-12-19 17:00:33   Link

These were the fun days. New software coming on the market all the

time. The annual West Coast Computer Faire was where 'it was' in the SF

Bay Area. This is where I bought my copy of dBASE II for CP/M from

George Tate of Ashton-Tate while he was manning a dealer's booth! Word

Tech, from Orinda, here in the SF Bay Area had come out with a previous

program to compete with dBASE III, dBXL. It was also an interpreter.

The developers wanted to protect their code so we had several bundled

.EXEs that had the interpreter embedded in them. Arago, as I remember

was not a great feature improvement. Its claim to fame was it would

test all the if/thens, etc. with all the answers to find errors that

would take developers a long time. I also heard that Borland bought

it. Either they wanted the WordTech products off the market or they

wanted the WordTech staff, because the products disappeared.

This type of database application creator is what I have been looking

for under Linux since the '90s. Can't find it, so I use Foxpro/DOS

under Dosemu/Linux.

John

On 12/19/2016 12:10 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:

> More like Clipper then in a way, i.e. compiles to a self-contained EXE.

> Interesting.

>

> -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm On Mon, 19 Dec 2016,

> at 06:59 PM, Michael Glassman wrote:

>> Here's a PC Magazine review from 1992, with comparisons to FoxPro 2.0,

>> which

>> was released one year earlier. FoxPro was faster, but it lacked such a

>> complete compiler.

>>

>> https://books.google.com/books?id=hnvCf6WlcYcC&pg=PP46&lpg=PP46&dq=arago+pro

>> fessional&source=bl&ots=CYTybALpXo&sig=yr1ebEAKHHLpSO8_jUHgoNzdqhE&hl=en&sa=

>> X&ved=0ahUKEwjR-JjI9oDRAhUKw1QKHXltAqAQ6AEIKjAC#v=onepage&q=arago%20professi

>> onal&f=false

>>

>> Mike

>>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted

>> Roche

>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 10:38 AM

>> To:profoxtech@leafe.com

>> Subject: Re: [NF] Arago

>>

>> Here's an ad from 1992:

>>

>> https://books.google.com/books?id=3D0EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA12&ots=AEALCrHqG6&dq=db

>> XL%20dbase%20database&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q=dbXL%20dbase%20database&f=false

>>

>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Alan Bourke<alanpbourke@fastmail.fm>

>> wrote:

>>> Came across the name of this tool which I'd never heard of -

>>> apparently it was an early 90's dBase-compatible system from Wordtech

>>> which I believe Borland then bought. Anyone ever use it?

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Alan Bourke

>>>

>>> alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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RE: [NF] Arago

Author: Gene Wirchenko

Posted: 2016-12-19 17:09:26   Link

At 10:59 2016-12-19, "Michael Glassman" <MHGlassman@PioneerDrama.com> wrote:

>Here's a PC Magazine review from 1992, with comparisons to FoxPro 2.0, which

>was released one year earlier. FoxPro was faster, but it lacked such a

>complete compiler.

So what made its compiler more complete?

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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RE: [NF] Arago

Author: Michael Glassman

Posted: 2016-12-19 19:05:10   Link

I'm not certain, Gene. The last paragraph of the review refers to Arago's

"true .EXE compiler," implying that FoxPro's wasn't. But the only

distinction the review actually gives is that Arago's compiled file sizes

were substantially smaller than FoxPro's.

Coincidentally enough, the same issue of PC Magazine has a comparative

review of five Xbase development systems, including FoxPro 2.0, Clipper, and

dBASE III/VI. FoxPro won hands down! From the Google Books left menu,

search for "Xbase Development Systems" in the same issue. Makes for very

nostalgia-inducing reading.

Mike

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At 10:59 2016-12-19, "Michael Glassman" <MHGlassman@PioneerDrama.com> wrote:

>Here's a PC Magazine review from 1992, with comparisons to FoxPro 2.0,

>which was released one year earlier. FoxPro was faster, but it lacked

>such a complete compiler.

So what made its compiler more complete?

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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RE: [NF] Arago

Author: Ken Dibble

Posted: 2016-12-19 19:23:04   Link

>I'm not certain, Gene. The last paragraph of the review refers to Arago's

>"true .EXE compiler," implying that FoxPro's wasn't. But the only

>distinction the review actually gives is that Arago's compiled file sizes

>were substantially smaller than FoxPro's.

As I said initially, with the Arago Quicksilver compiler for dbXL,

you got one self-contained executable. No separate runtime file, no

requirement for any dll dependencies like you have with VFP.

It would take 15-20 minutes to compile a moderate-sized project on a

386 40 MHz machine.

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Re: [NF] Arago

Author: Kurt at VR-FX

Posted: 2016-12-19 19:35:48   Link

Wow, 15-20 min sounds Painful!

That being said, of course, when I would render 3D Images, 15-20 min for

a single image is NOT out of the Ordinary!

-K-

On 12/19/2016 8:23 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:

>

>> I'm not certain, Gene. The last paragraph of the review refers to

>> Arago's

>> "true .EXE compiler," implying that FoxPro's wasn't. But the only

>> distinction the review actually gives is that Arago's compiled file

>> sizes

>> were substantially smaller than FoxPro's.

>

> As I said initially, with the Arago Quicksilver compiler for dbXL, you

> got one self-contained executable. No separate runtime file, no

> requirement for any dll dependencies like you have with VFP.

>

> It would take 15-20 minutes to compile a moderate-sized project on a

> 386 40 MHz machine.

>

> Ken Dibble

> www.stic-cil.org

>

>

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