<http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4146&tag=nl.e539>
"Secure" is a mindset, and not an actual state, right?
Things change in the industry as well as new threats detected. How
fast the "vendors" ;-> roll with those threats.
--
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Web and Windows Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN
901.246-0159
I suppose that if I ran all the "protections" within Vista made available,
and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine, along with
both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things down I
could perhaps still be able to read from, and maybe even still write to, the
files on my own local hard drive. Maybe I could even read or play various
CD or DVD media. But would I be able to do anything effective with
connectivity to a network, to include Internet access? I am surmising the
level of "security" has a lot to do with the ability of the machine to do
anything at all, other than open a few local, benign and relatively useless
apps. "It is totally secure, but it does not do anything that could hurt
it. It does not run."
A Windows machine that is so hamstrung that it is indeed "secure", yet can't
be used for much of anything, is not of any value to me. When I run my
Linux and Mac OS X machines I fear nothing, other than the possibility of a
hardware failure. But I keep things backed up on a scheduled basis, so the
exposure to loss of data is at least as minimal as with my Windows based
machines that I keep backed up to an almost insane degree. I trust the
security on my Linux and Mac machines, as it is inherently built into the
very core of the OS, as opposed to the Windows bolt-on, add apps, based
"security solution" afterthought. I still do not trust security on my
Windows machines, despite all the protections I have in place, as I know
something can still sneak into my machinery if I am careless with the web
sites I visit.
I wonder if anyone is going to challenge MS's claim that Vista and W7 are
the most secure OS platforms on the planet. I guess a clever attorney for
MS would say, "He never said which planet, did he?" <g>
Gil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:48 AM
> To: profoxtech@leafe.com
> Subject: [NF] more secure or less threats?
>
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4146&tag=nl.e539>
>
> "Secure" is a mindset, and not an actual state, right?
>
> Things change in the industry as well as new threats detected. How
> fast the "vendors" ;-> roll with those threats.
>
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> Web and Windows Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
>
> 901.246-0159
>
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Unless I have a head cold and sneeze on it, at which point it could cause an
infection with others...
Gil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mike@mikewohlrab.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:20 AM
> To: profoxtech@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?
>
> If you really want to make your computer secure, just unplug that black
> cable that runs from the wall outlet to your power supply on your pc. I
> am fairly certain that that would make it nearly impossible for your pc
> to become infected with a virus!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Gil Hale RR" <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:10:24
> To: <profoxtech@leafe.com>
> Subject: RE: [NF] more secure or less threats?
>
>
> I suppose that if I ran all the "protections" within Vista made
> available,
> and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine, along
> with
> both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things down
> I
> could perhaps still be able to read from, and maybe even still write
> to, the
> files on my own local hard drive. Maybe I could even read or play
> various
> CD or DVD media. But would I be able to do anything effective with
> connectivity to a network, to include Internet access? I am surmising
> the
> level of "security" has a lot to do with the ability of the machine to
> do
> anything at all, other than open a few local, benign and relatively
> useless
> apps. "It is totally secure, but it does not do anything that could
> hurt
> it. It does not run."
>
> A Windows machine that is so hamstrung that it is indeed "secure", yet
> can't
> be used for much of anything, is not of any value to me. When I run my
> Linux and Mac OS X machines I fear nothing, other than the possibility
> of a
> hardware failure. But I keep things backed up on a scheduled basis, so
> the
> exposure to loss of data is at least as minimal as with my Windows
> based
> machines that I keep backed up to an almost insane degree. I trust the
> security on my Linux and Mac machines, as it is inherently built into
> the
> very core of the OS, as opposed to the Windows bolt-on, add apps, based
> "security solution" afterthought. I still do not trust security on my
> Windows machines, despite all the protections I have in place, as I
> know
> something can still sneak into my machinery if I am careless with the
> web
> sites I visit.
>
> I wonder if anyone is going to challenge MS's claim that Vista and W7
> are
> the most secure OS platforms on the planet. I guess a clever attorney
> for
> MS would say, "He never said which planet, did he?" <g>
>
>
> Gil
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> > bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:48 AM
> > To: profoxtech@leafe.com
> > Subject: [NF] more secure or less threats?
> >
> > <http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4146&tag=nl.e539>
> >
> > "Secure" is a mindset, and not an actual state, right?
> >
> > Things change in the industry as well as new threats detected. How
> > fast the "vendors" ;-> roll with those threats.
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Russell
> > Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> > Web and Windows Development
> > Independent Contractor
> > Memphis TN
> >
> > 901.246-0159
> >
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Gil Hale RR <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com> wr=
ote:
> I suppose that if I ran all the "protections" within Vista made available=
,
> and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine, along w=
ith
> both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things down I
> could perhaps still be able to read from, and maybe even still write to, =
the
> files on my own local hard drive. =A0Maybe I could even read or play vari=
ous
> CD or DVD media. =A0But would I be able to do anything effective with
> connectivity to a network, to include Internet access? =A0I am surmising =
the
> level of "security" has a lot to do with the ability of the machine to do
> anything at all, other than open a few local, benign and relatively usele=
ss
> apps. =A0"It is totally secure, but it does not do anything that could hu=
rt
> it. =A0It does not run."
-----------------------------------
I have Vista and find no trouble taking it between different clients
and working with their networks.
Are you forcing it to act like Win2000 ?
--=20
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Web and Windows Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN
901.246-0159
I am not forcing Vista to do anything. It is the other way around.
Gil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:45 PM
> To: profoxtech@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?
>=20
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Gil Hale RR
> <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > I suppose that if I ran all the "protections" within Vista made
> available,
> > and hung my AntiVirus/AntiMalware/AntiAnti apps onto the machine,
> along with
> > both a hardware and software firewall that really tightened things
> down I
> > could perhaps still be able to read from, and maybe even still write
> to, the
> > files on my own local hard drive. =A0Maybe I could even read or play
> various
> > CD or DVD media. =A0But would I be able to do anything effective =
with
> > connectivity to a network, to include Internet access? =A0I am
> surmising the
> > level of "security" has a lot to do with the ability of the machine
> to do
> > anything at all, other than open a few local, benign and relatively
> useless
> > apps. =A0"It is totally secure, but it does not do anything that =
could
> hurt
> > it. =A0It does not run."
> -----------------------------------
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> I have Vista and find no trouble taking it between different clients
> and working with their networks.
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> Are you forcing it to act like Win2000 ?
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> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> Web and Windows Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
>=20
> 901.246-0159
>=20
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Gil Hale RR <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com> wr=
ote:
> I am not forcing Vista to do anything. =A0It is the other way around.
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Is there an AD or is it all a peer network?
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Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Web and Windows Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN
901.246-0159
Very few of my clients have an AD. Most have one or more manufacturers =
that
are now mostly web based. Any internal Servers are typically File =
servers,
but with the Web Craze that has become so prevalent even that is =
beginning
to diminish. Only a few have tried to use Vista, as their manufacturers =
do
not support it yet, just now some have begun to support IE7. The folks =
I
see running into trouble are home users who were once able to get their
printers and some drives to share nicely together. Once Vista is tossed
into the mix all bets are off. They call for me to help, and I refer =
them
to the manufacturer for help as I no longer have time to dink with home =
user
issues. The smart ones call me before getting something, and until =
recently
I have been able to persuade folks to get the XP downgrade option (now a
rarity for non-Netbook and non-business class PCs). It saves me grief, =
and
Vista really does not bring enough to the party IMHO to make it worth
hassling with. If a person has time to deal with Vista, they have time =
to
learn Ubuntu Linux - or Mac, and are better off for it for simple web
browsing, email, and doing homework assignments, or whatever.
I kind of look at Vista as a latter day Win ME, where 2000 Pro =
eventually
usurped ME (on M$'s own site, once 2000 Pro was released, problems were =
to
be solved by upgrading to 2000 Pro. M$ gave up on ME). I am betting =
Win7
will do the same to Vista, this century's mistake.
Gil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-
> bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: profoxtech@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] more secure or less threats?
>=20
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Gil Hale RR
> <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> > I am not forcing Vista to do anything. =A0It is the other way =
around.
> ------------------------
>=20
> Is there an AD or is it all a peer network?
>=20
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> Web and Windows Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
>=20
> 901.246-0159
>=20
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Gil Hale RR <mrgmhale@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> but with the Web Craze that has become so prevalent even that is beginning
> to diminish.
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You think that companies are retreating from the web?
Now that is a funny statement.
--
Stephen Russell
Sr. Production Systems Programmer
Web and Windows Development
Independent Contractor
Memphis TN
901.246-0159