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#openstack-nova - 2026-04-17
12:41:41 gibi and is that good that we are going in without some scope definition?
12:42:00 gibi how do we check if we are going to the right direction, or when we are done?
12:42:02 ralonsoh #join project-config
12:42:03 bauzas but the project doesn't have scope about how to use it by upstream
12:42:08 ralonsoh arggggg
12:42:21 bauzas ralonsoh: nah, join #openstack-agentic-workflows
12:42:29 ralonsoh yeah hehehe
12:42:34 gibi scope also helps judging contributions about is it in scope? is it out of scope?
12:45:16 bauzas gibi: there aren't yet conventions about judging contributions for it atm, but there are already some guidelines from agentskills about evaluating skills that I'd like us to do https://agentskills.io/skill-creation/evaluating-skills
12:47:22 gibi OK so one of the implicit scope / goal item is to apply https://agentskills.io/skill-creation/evaluating-skills going forward.
12:47:33 gibi can we collect these implicit things and make them explicit
12:47:56 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Test nova CLI commands with native threading https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984036
12:48:03 bauzas gibi: the problem with skill evaluations is that you need to be able to use LLMs for evaluating them
12:48:16 bauzas so we can't run CI upstream jobs atm
12:48:32 bauzas I added this item for the TC topic we'll discuss next week
12:49:44 gibi you can define goal and scope regardless of if an item in the goal is CI verifiable or not. j
13:13:30 bauzas gibi: true
13:24:42 opendevreview ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Add reproducer for bug #2141722 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984521
13:24:43 opendevreview ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Fix os-simple-tenant-usage pagination with duplicate instance_extra https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984522
13:50:16 opendevreview ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Add reproducer for bug #2111320: soft-deleted services in Instance.services https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982675
13:50:16 opendevreview ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Filter soft-deleted services from Instance.services ORM relationship https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982676
13:54:51 Zhan[m] Hi friends, I have two quick live migration related improvements for review, wondering if I can get some quick feedback on the ideas? Thanks! https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/978255, https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/976311
13:57:41 stephenfin sean-k-mooney: just a reminder about https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984918, in case you got distacted by the agent stuff :)
13:58:16 stephenfin (if it's already on your list, sorry for the noise)
14:12:43 opendevreview Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Fix functional tests and mypy on macOS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/937727
14:55:57 winiciusallan[m] folks, I saw a lot of discussion on the mail list about a spot instance service in Nova, some people have even start implementing, but this wasn't go further
14:56:04 winiciusallan[m] CERN has a external service for this https://gitlab.cern.ch/cloud-infrastructure/aardvark
14:56:29 winiciusallan[m] do you know by chance if having this kind of service integrated into Nova is interest for the community?
15:00:08 winiciusallan[m] i'm thinking of implementing this as part of my final thesis. this will make other research regarding billing and charge strategies easier to evaluate
15:14:06 opendevreview Merged openstack/nova master: tox: Remove override of install_command https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984918
15:14:48 opendevreview Merged openstack/nova master: docs: Update development-environment guide https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984956
15:42:51 sean-k-mooney winiciusallan[m]: we decieed that it should not be in nova
15:43:24 sean-k-mooney we reivwed the sepec and went back and forth but decieed it shoudl live as its own thing external to nova
15:43:44 sean-k-mooney winiciusallan[m]: i have tought that this could live in watcher in the future
15:43:52 sean-k-mooney there is also a host based version in blazar today
15:44:23 sean-k-mooney but i think watcher can facilatate a more granular approch similar to the orgianl concept
15:49:38 winiciusallan[m] sean-k-mooney: yeah, thinking about watcher it looks more natural considering the architecture of the service
15:50:32 winiciusallan[m] I dropped a message on scientific-sig asking if people have use cases or gaps that they would like to improve
15:51:14 winiciusallan[m] one from NASA talked about GPUs being expensive and it might be a use case for them
15:51:22 sean-k-mooney i dont know if i ever wrote up a spec for it there. but the idea was to annotate the isntance via the flavor or instance metadta wiht lifecycle:premtable=ture
15:51:45 winiciusallan[m] others from CERN and nectar-rc use aardvak
15:52:05 sean-k-mooney then have a new goal for permation and 1-n stragies for how to dop it
15:52:38 winiciusallan[m] sean-k-mooney: +1 with this approach. this is how the first spec was written on nova
15:53:26 sean-k-mooney so the firction with doing this is nova is https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/project-scope.html#no-more-orchestration and https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/project-scope.html#no-more-orchestration
15:53:26 winiciusallan[m] probably different strategies for how to find the best instance to preempt and also being possible to extend a custom strategy
15:53:31 winiciusallan[m] sounds good
15:54:01 sean-k-mooney we have basicly said we do not want to build complex orchstration logic in nova or optimise for batch processing
15:54:16 sean-k-mooney but we want to make sure that higher level service can express the policy on top
15:54:35 sean-k-mooney which is where aardvark or watcher can play a role
15:55:33 sean-k-mooney winiciusallan[m]: ya so there are a lot of intersting way to decie which instnace to preempt and what that means (either delete or shelve)
15:55:42 sean-k-mooney for example delete oldest first
15:55:50 sean-k-mooney delete bigest first
15:56:02 winiciusallan[m] best fit and so on...
15:56:17 sean-k-mooney delete instnace on expensive hosts or where there is pressure based on mettrics
15:56:31 sean-k-mooney so watcher with its plugable goals and stragies
15:56:38 sean-k-mooney woudl allow you to experiment with those
15:58:34 sean-k-mooney winiciusallan[m]: https://redhat.atlassian.net/browse/RHOSRFE-142 is a downstream tracker i filed to do this "eventualy"
15:58:57 sean-k-mooney but its not someting i have had time to activly work on and i dont expect to actully do that any time soon
15:59:27 winiciusallan[m] i'll be happy to help you with this if it is possible
16:00:02 sean-k-mooney https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/r.bf5f1185e201e31ed8c3adeb45e3cf6d#L747
16:00:09 winiciusallan[m] I need to sync from my side what is the scope for my thesis, there is a slighly chance of testing different strategies...
16:00:36 sean-k-mooney well if you want to talk about this more in the context of watcher feel free to reach out in #openstack-watcher
16:00:54 sean-k-mooney we are also haveing the PTG next week so we could chat about it more there too if you were interested
16:02:11 sean-k-mooney winiciusallan[m]: no worries either way, that the most recent context i can provide on this topic so if you do or do not have scope to wrok on this either is fine
16:03:21 winiciusallan[m] at a first moment, i was thinking of discussing this on nova ptg, but since answered me in advance we can discuss this on watcher's ptg
16:03:31 winiciusallan[m] let's take the discussion to #openstack-watcher
16:03:34 winiciusallan[m] joining there
16:27:38 opendevreview Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: Fix functional tests and mypy on macOS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/937727
17:04:05 gmaan bauzas gibi console proxy in threading mode change lgtm now https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/976089
17:26:37 gibi gmaan: ack thanks. Maybe next week before the PTG calls I will have time to get to it
18:15:01 gibi Uggla: sean-k-mooney: I filled out the details of the PCI Grouping topic in the etherpad
18:16:12 sean-k-mooney gibi: ++
18:16:13 gibi and that is my exit today
18:16:15 sean-k-mooney thanks
18:17:54 gibi btw, does AI crawlers know how to read an etherpad?
18:18:16 sean-k-mooney i expoerted it to a file when i wanted it to fix spelling
18:18:21 gibi and does our Agentic overlord LLMs can read an etherpad?
18:18:21 sean-k-mooney but proably yes
18:19:12 sean-k-mooney it can read it in that its just a webpage
18:19:21 sean-k-mooney but i didnt want to givbe it a link
18:19:35 sean-k-mooney because i didnt want it to do random things
19:25:07 Uggla gibi, thanks, but regarding the hour 20:15 looks a bit late and not cool. I wish you a good WE and please rest during the WE. Next week will be intense.
20:43:58 gibi Uggla: thanks. It is complicated. :D
#openstack-nova - 2026-04-19
03:24:52 opendevreview Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtiofs live and cold migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/983801
03:26:27 opendevreview Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtiofs live and cold migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/983801
04:30:44 opendevreview Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtiofs hot attach and detach https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/983816
#openstack-nova - 2026-04-20
02:19:04 opendevreview Merged openstack/nova master: mem-enc: adjust requirement checks for mem_encryption guests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/967974
02:19:25 opendevreview Merged openstack/nova master: mem-enc: address minor issues pointed out in the review https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/983278
05:46:50 opendevreview Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtiofs live and cold migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/983801
06:16:21 opendevreview Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtiofs live and cold migration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/983801
06:40:07 tafkamax Hi, I have a question regarding nova-pythonclient. Will commands like nova reset-state <SERVER_ID> be migrated?
06:40:23 tafkamax So when python-openstackclient will become the only one standing.
06:42:37 jkulik Isn't it already available through `opennstack server set --state active`?
06:47:01 tafkamax oh okay, will try
08:47:48 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Test nova CLI commands with native threading https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/984036
12:27:28 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Enable threading mode for proxy services https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/976089
13:17:48 bauzas as a reminder, the PTG started for now, you can join us by clicking on https://meetpad.opendev.org/nova-2026.2-ptg
14:04:08 dansmith Uggla: didn't you just say we were supposed to be in the cinder room?
14:04:19 dansmith there was some confusion about where to be (here in the cinder room)
14:05:03 Uggla no liberty Nova room (sorry if it was not clear)

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