| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2026-03-26 | |||
| 19:34:33 | melwitt | yeah, I am not looking at it as much as supporting a thing we said it unsupported but rather making everything consistent | |
| 19:34:56 | sean-k-mooney | my conder with this in genrel is it opens us up to a buch of bugs relate dto snapshot ro other operatoin with stale info | |
| 19:35:18 | erlon | sean-k-mooney: this is something that is floating around for a long time, and many people has showed interest in having this fixed. The bug is the 2nd in heat/affteced: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1452641 | |
| 19:35:30 | sean-k-mooney | we coudl totally burn all of those down but im not sure what we are opening our selve up to if we try | |
| 19:35:35 | melwitt | because today, we have a mon IP update for ephemeral RBD hard reboot, we have a mon update for cinder volume RBD live migration, but the vice versa for each are missing. and that to me seems ... not great | |
| 19:35:44 | gmaan | melwitt: checking | |
| 19:36:13 | sean-k-mooney | erlon: yep its not a new compleaint | |
| 19:36:30 | sean-k-mooney | i would question the validiy of the bug since we intentally iddint suprpot this in the past | |
| 19:37:11 | sean-k-mooney | erlon: what i really wish we coudl do is jsut use fqdns for the mons instead of ips | |
| 19:37:34 | sean-k-mooney | or multicast/vip ips or simialr | |
| 19:38:00 | erlon | That would not come without problems as well, since you would have to rely on DNS | |
| 19:38:14 | erlon | We have discussed in this possibility | |
| 19:38:15 | sean-k-mooney | anyways erlon if we build out the funcitonal tests to demostrate and validate the fix im ok with improving it as long as we dont docuemnt that htis is somethign operators shoudl expect to work in general | |
| 19:38:22 | melwitt | yeah to be clear, for me it is the inconsistent behavior. but, I do also wonder if it could open up any problems we don't expect. I can't think of anything but of course I guess anything is possible. I am not that much of a RBD expert | |
| 19:39:00 | erlon | sean-k-mooney, so with that I would assume that a nova managed command would be out of the table | |
| 19:39:03 | sean-k-mooney | we do not suprpot krbd but when we had it at a workaroudh chanig the mon ip coudl cuase the host kernel to soft lock | |
| 19:39:38 | sean-k-mooney | similar to how iowrites to iscsi block device that are disconnected would hang for ever | |
| 19:39:55 | sean-k-mooney | althoguht that was a long time ago so may that less terribel now | |
| 19:40:08 | sean-k-mooney | erlon: nova mange wont help here | |
| 19:40:14 | melwitt | gmaan: thanks :) also your ack would be appreciated on this backport proposed that fixes a http 500 => http 400 and if you think that is ok for stable https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/980540 | |
| 19:40:17 | sean-k-mooney | erlon: it woudl for cinder | |
| 19:40:23 | sean-k-mooney | but not for nova provisioned volumes | |
| 19:40:32 | sean-k-mooney | we dont use nova-mange to update xmls | |
| 19:41:05 | erlon | Did you would be that once a ceph mon list had changed, it will be possible to fix all vms without having to migrate or shelve them | |
| 19:41:09 | melwitt | we don't but we have for cinder volume nova-manage for refreshing bdm connection_info which would in turn update XML | |
| 19:41:34 | sean-k-mooney | right but we do it via the contoelr nodes by updating the db | |
| 19:41:36 | erlon | but I believe that would be something we could live without | |
| 19:41:37 | melwitt | ok I think you just said that | |
| 19:41:41 | melwitt | yeah | |
| 19:42:02 | sean-k-mooney | i dont think we should ever add a nova mange command that talks to libvirt and modifes the runing domain | |
| 19:42:25 | melwitt | yeah so for rbd local/ephemeral if you hard rebooted all the VMs then you would get all the new mon IPs today. but I get that a lot of operators don't want to be rebooting all the guests | |
| 19:42:49 | sean-k-mooney | ya so "healing it" on live migratoin is ok | |
| 19:43:08 | sean-k-mooney | healign it in place to me voids yoru warrenty even with somthgn liek nova-mnage | |
| 19:43:56 | sean-k-mooney | we have alwasy said out of band updates to the domain (any write to libvirt not form nova-compute) voids the warrenty on the domain | |
| 19:44:32 | sean-k-mooney | it would be very easy to create security issues by fat fingering the cli | |
| 19:44:54 | sean-k-mooney | and it woudl be inharently racy with api actoins too | |
| 19:53:32 | opendevreview | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] how borken is ipv6 only ceph. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982302 | |
| 19:54:56 | opendevreview | sean mooney proposed openstack/nova master: [WIP] how borken is ipv6 only ceph. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982302 | |
| 19:55:26 | erlon | sean-k-mooney: regarding the direct change/replace all monitors in the function, I understand that comparing that with the old values give us the opportunity to issue a warning, but it should not cause any impact on running instances, since we are just manipulating an in memory XML object, that will be sent to the destination host | |
| 19:56:14 | sean-k-mooney | right but if that warning ever fires it means that an operator did somethign wrong | |
| 19:56:44 | sean-k-mooney | so it warning them that thre may be problems that need to be fixed | |
| 20:04:01 | gmaan | melwitt: done, backport of 500->400 lgtm too | |
| 20:04:27 | melwitt | thank you gmaan | |
| 20:06:25 | sean-k-mooney | looking at zuul there is currently no job wiht ipv6 and (ceph or cinder) in the name so im not going to hold my breath on ^ working | |
| 20:07:28 | sean-k-mooney | it shoudl be doable we woudl jsut need to tweak the devstack plugin to resovle what ever it finds | |
| 21:32:35 | melwitt | dunno if this is a known issue but I noticed grenade-skip-level-always (non-voting) is failing on stable/2025.1 with "AttributeError: module 'setuptools.build_meta' has no attribute 'prepare_metadata_for_build_editable'. Did you mean: 'prepare_metadata_for_build_wheel'?" | |
| 21:32:46 | melwitt | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=grenade-skip-level-always&project=openstack%2Fnova&branch=stable%2F2025.1&skip=0 | |
| 21:45:08 | sean-k-mooney | melwitt: that might be related to jammy and setuptools/pbr versions when upgrading form 2024.1 | |
| 21:45:21 | sean-k-mooney | 2024.2 has not got the pkg_resouces fixes | |
| 21:45:36 | sean-k-mooney | at least not in the requriemetn repo and has not got the newerever pbr release as a result | |
| 21:47:35 | sean-k-mooney | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/976602 needs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/976903 to be cherry picked first | |
| 21:49:36 | sean-k-mooney | well it might not be that expiclty but its related to setup_tools and pbr and i think those mibg help | |
| 21:51:06 | sean-k-mooney | melwitt https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/42de440471abf5d1953eacd21f191c1f0ff28ef7 | |
| 21:51:44 | sean-k-mooney | so ya its to do with the 2024.1 install | |
| 21:51:57 | sean-k-mooney | 2024.1 is not actully supproted for upgrades anymore | |
| 21:52:16 | sean-k-mooney | so we proably shoudl just turn that job off permently | |
| 22:15:49 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: unified limits: Fix openstacksdk usage for endpoint discovery https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/975106 | |
| 22:27:41 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.2: api: Handle empty imageRef alongside null for local BDM check https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/980540 | |
| 22:27:54 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.1: Add functional reproducer for bug 2125030 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/979864 | |
| 22:35:50 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.1: Move cleanup of vTPM secret from driver to compute https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/979865 | |
| 22:36:03 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.1: Preserve vTPM state between power off and power on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/979866 | |
| 22:55:56 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.2: Preserve UEFI NVRAM variable store https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/978766 | |
| 22:56:08 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2025.1: Fix string format specifier https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/961337 | |
| #openstack-nova - 2026-03-27 | |||
| 05:29:18 | opendevreview | Nicolai Ruckel proposed openstack/nova stable/2025.1: Preserve UEFI NVRAM variable store https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982353 | |
| 05:47:05 | nicolairuckel | elodilles, melwitt: I have one more backport. :) | |
| 10:00:15 | zigo | stephenfin: Hi there! Shouldn't we get a new release of cliff for Gazpacho, so it includes your patch at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/cliff/+/978994 ? | |
| 10:00:54 | zigo | I'm including it in the cliff Debian package, as I bumped cmd2 to 3.2.0, though other downstream may get into the same issues. | |
| 10:31:48 | stephenfin | zigo: Hmm, yes, most likely | |
| 11:25:26 | opendevreview | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Default native threading for conductor and compute https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982237 | |
| 11:26:59 | gibi | bauzas: gmaan: ^^ fixed your comments | |
| 12:41:43 | opendevreview | Ashish Gupta proposed openstack/nova master: Add native threading support to functional test (DB, RPC, test case ID) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/980179 | |
| 13:39:54 | opendevreview | clemens proposed openstack/nova master: libvirt: added customizable libvirt disk aio https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982419 | |
| 15:10:33 | opendevreview | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Use SDK for Neutron security-groups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/981141 | |
| 16:20:11 | gmaan | gibi: thanks +2 | |
| 18:26:04 | melwitt | I see, thank you for explaining that sean-k-mooney | |
| 20:10:06 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: Default native threading for conductor and compute https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982237 | |
| #openstack-nova - 2026-03-28 | |||
| 17:10:49 | elodilles | Uggla: hi, just a heads up here, that i've replied to your comment on the 2026.1 Gazpacho Final Release patch: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/982438/1#message-6649010e513bb2b2a36325ffcfc8caffda89b33c | |
| 17:11:24 | elodilles | in short, we are late to release an RC2 there, so let's stick to RC1 as the final release for nova o:) | |
| 17:16:02 | elodilles | Uggla: also note, that however the doc change is not part of the 2026.1 release, the doc itself was updated on docs.o.o, see: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/2026.1/reference/libvirt-distro-support-matrix.html | |
| #openstack-nova - 2026-03-30 | |||
| 10:32:46 | DominikDanelski[m] | sean-k-mooney: Hello, I don't know about your availability at the moment, but would you find time to revisit https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/971176 and related patches or – for something smaller – https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/968446? | |
| 11:09:37 | opendevreview | Lajos Katona proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Use SDK for Neutron security-groups https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/981141 | |
| 13:51:34 | opendevreview | Elod Illes proposed openstack/nova stable/2025.1: DNM: grenade-skip-level check https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982659 | |
| 14:00:55 | opendevreview | Matt Crees proposed openstack/nova master: Don't drop pci_dev network caps when VF is in use https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982660 | |
| 15:00:22 | lajoskatona | Uggla: Hi, as nova meeting time in CEST is 1800, I can only attend the first ~20 minutes, from my side I worked/working on the patch for migrating security-groups to SDK, so some progress with it :-) | |
| 15:05:51 | Uggla | Nova upstream meeting in ~1h | |
| 15:06:08 | Uggla | lajoskatona, do you want me to schedule your point early today ? | |
| 15:13:16 | Uggla | elodilles ok I agree it is not fundamental to have this commit. | |
| 15:16:11 | lajoskatona | Uglla: thanks, I don't want to mess up the Nova meeting, I have only that short update I wrote earlier | |
| 15:18:51 | Uggla | ok | |
| 15:22:47 | elodilles | Uggla: +1 | |
| 15:25:45 | elodilles | Uggla: can you update your -1 on the patch? what you add there will show up in the metadata of the tag o:) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/982438 | |
| 15:29:44 | Uggla | elodilles, wrapup what we have said here in the comment and +1 it. | |
| 15:55:02 | opendevreview | ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Add reproducer for bug #2111320: soft-deleted services in Instance.services https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982675 | |
| 15:55:02 | opendevreview | ribaudr proposed openstack/nova master: Filter soft-deleted services from Instance.services ORM relationship https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/982676 | |
| 15:58:30 | elodilles | thanks Uggla o/ | |
| 15:58:41 | Uggla | elodilles np | |
| 15:59:01 | fwiesel | o/ | |
| 16:00:03 | Uggla | #startmeeting nova | |
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