| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2025-04-30 | |||
| 18:55:56 | EugenMayer440180 | is there an official EOL for the nova cli? | |
| 18:57:03 | sean-k-mooney | yes and no. its been feature frozen for about 2 years | |
| 18:57:15 | sean-k-mooney | the python bindign are also frozen | |
| 18:57:35 | sean-k-mooney | we plan to remove it once heat/watcher/horizon stop usign it | |
| 18:58:30 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: https://docs.openstack.org/python-openstackclient/latest/cli/command-objects/server-backup.html | |
| 18:58:31 | EugenMayer440180 | any time horizon here? years, months? 2025.x or 2026? | |
| 18:59:05 | sean-k-mooney | my hope would be in the next 12-24 months but eventlet removal is a higher priority | |
| 18:59:56 | EugenMayer440180 | i tried to onboard the above, but it always failed with 'More than one Image exists with the name' | |
| 19:00:02 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: osc has backup and we reached feature partiy with nova client a few years ago. teh only comamnd we did nto port are the host evacuate ones | |
| 19:00:13 | EugenMayer440180 | last time i tried was Nov 2023 though | |
| 19:02:12 | EugenMayer440180 | just tried again and: | |
| 19:02:13 | EugenMayer440180 | openstack --insecure server backup create --os-compute-api-version 2.64 --name "backup-vpn" --type daily --rotate 5 2ba904fb-47e3-4ee8-92b4-66e41bcf2a96 | |
| 19:02:13 | EugenMayer440180 | More than one Image exists with the name 'backup-vpn'. | |
| 19:02:39 | sean-k-mooney | well you ment to provide unique names for each backup i belive | |
| 19:02:44 | sean-k-mooney | when passing --name | |
| 19:03:10 | EugenMayer440180 | well it creates a backup, it just fails | |
| 19:03:32 | EugenMayer440180 | (and nova backup actually needs that name to rotate .. so i thing osc will need that too;v | |
| 19:04:01 | EugenMayer440180 | i would love to use a name including a date, but this does not work for rotate - the name has to match the older backups. | |
| 19:04:06 | sean-k-mooney | well osc is using the sdk | |
| 19:04:15 | sean-k-mooney | but lo9oking at the api | |
| 19:04:21 | sean-k-mooney | https://docs.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#id57 | |
| 19:04:27 | sean-k-mooney | the name is not optional | |
| 19:05:07 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: its not a bfv instance is it | |
| 19:05:26 | EugenMayer440180 | my point is, nova cli forced the name to be 'always the same' to be able to group the rotation - osc dropts that issue but ends up beeing in need for that too anyway. so with osc you are basically in a no-go spot | |
| 19:05:35 | EugenMayer440180 | bfv? | |
| 19:05:45 | sean-k-mooney | boot form volume | |
| 19:06:29 | sean-k-mooney | osc will default to using the server display name if you dont pass a name for the backup | |
| 19:06:49 | sean-k-mooney | wich is reasonble but do you know if the error is coming form nova or form the client | |
| 19:06:57 | EugenMayer440180 | if osc defaults to that, it will drop an error, since the server-name should be the same every time | |
| 19:07:22 | EugenMayer440180 | oh you mean i should try that once | |
| 19:07:59 | sean-k-mooney | the rotaion i belive is ment ot be server side | |
| 19:08:40 | sean-k-mooney | but im wonderign if your geting a error form nova or if its coming form the client or sdk | |
| 19:08:55 | EugenMayer440180 | the rotation is based on the name - that is no assumption. Tried and tested that, documented that | |
| 19:09:03 | sean-k-mooney | it might be form here https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/compute/v2/server_backup.py#L102 | |
| 19:09:27 | sean-k-mooney | so they should be saving the uuid that is returned form the backup call and then using that not the name to look upt the image | |
| 19:09:49 | EugenMayer440180 | well is that new on osc? because nova does not do that, it used the name | |
| 19:10:08 | sean-k-mooney | this is an osc bug | |
| 19:10:17 | EugenMayer440180 | or, nova changed that recently, i'am not reading the commits | |
| 19:10:25 | sean-k-mooney | its a regression form when they swaped form the novaclint to the sdk | |
| 19:10:39 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: this has not change in nova in many many years | |
| 19:10:57 | EugenMayer440180 | well then i can assure you, the 'uuid lookup' is broken too. | |
| 19:11:05 | sean-k-mooney | but the openstackclinet moved all the nova command to the openstacksdk | |
| 19:11:16 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: its not using uuid lookup at all | |
| 19:11:22 | sean-k-mooney | its finding the backup image by name | |
| 19:11:49 | EugenMayer440180 | ok you confused me / i got confused. If the name is required (you mean the server name or the backup name?) | |
| 19:12:11 | sean-k-mooney | in novas api the name of the backup image is required | |
| 19:12:41 | sean-k-mooney | osc is passing that to the backup_server functon | |
| 19:12:51 | sean-k-mooney | but its alos doing image_client.find_image(backup_name, ignore_missing=False) | |
| 19:12:52 | EugenMayer440180 | ok then we are actually on the same spot. The name is required and is used to find the older backups, the lookup group for the rotate, the PK or whatever | |
| 19:13:19 | sean-k-mooney | i htink your error is happening here https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/compute/v2/server_backup.py#L102 | |
| 19:13:32 | sean-k-mooney | i have an devstafck actully let me check | |
| 19:13:47 | EugenMayer440180 | so changing the name for every backup would be wrong. Thus wht osc requires of me (using a unique name) is wrong (and this is what you pointed out to be a bug) | |
| 19:15:22 | sean-k-mooney | ya it would | |
| 19:15:27 | EugenMayer440180 | not sure how to take it, that the centralized, only way to backup an instance (openstack server backup) is broken for over 1.5 years and nobody has noticed that | |
| 19:15:29 | sean-k-mooney | it will need to be sable | |
| 19:15:49 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: you realsise we condiered removing the backup api entirely | |
| 19:15:54 | sean-k-mooney | instend of porting it | |
| 19:16:09 | sean-k-mooney | it is not really used much | |
| 19:16:30 | sean-k-mooney | most people just use snaphost directly instead of backup | |
| 19:16:40 | sean-k-mooney | because backup has never workd form server booted form cinder volume | |
| 19:16:50 | sean-k-mooney | where as the snapshot command do | |
| 19:17:49 | sean-k-mooney | im not saying this should not be fix im saying its a rearly used api/command | |
| 19:18:13 | EugenMayer440180 | yeah, this would explain that. Can you safely say that both 2025.x releases will not remove nova backup? or is this nothing that can be said | |
| 19:19:30 | sean-k-mooney | more or less yes. i expect it to still be a thing in 2026.1 | |
| 19:20:01 | sean-k-mooney | it might not exist in 2027.1 or 2027.2 if we mange to get everyone over to the sdk | |
| 19:21:04 | EugenMayer440180 | well i will not get to 2026 anyway, so this is not what i would worry then. I plan to migrate away from openstack in Dec 2025 and want to be sure the backup strategy works as long as that. | |
| 19:21:28 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: https://paste.opendev.org/show/bZLdha8p7l5juf4jF8Dw/ | |
| 19:21:39 | EugenMayer440180 | Again sean-k-mooney, as all the other times, you helped me so much. I would hand you just another medal for that :) | |
| 19:21:44 | sean-k-mooney | so with a clean vm on master the backup commadn works | |
| 19:21:48 | sean-k-mooney | at least once | |
| 19:22:00 | sean-k-mooney | lets see what happens if i do it again | |
| 19:22:14 | sean-k-mooney | sean@devstack-ui:~$ openstack --os-cloud devstack-admin server backup create --name test --type daily --rotate 5 6a314bdf-66ba-42d5-908a-c13e6f67b214 | |
| 19:22:16 | sean-k-mooney | Could not load 'message_list': module 'zaqarclient.queues.v2.cli' has no attribute 'OldListMessages' | |
| 19:22:18 | sean-k-mooney | Could not load 'message_post': module 'zaqarclient.queues.v2.cli' has no attribute 'OldPostMessages' | |
| 19:22:20 | sean-k-mooney | More than one Image exists with the name 'test'. | |
| 19:22:32 | sean-k-mooney | so ya my guess is we only test creating 1 backup | |
| 19:22:46 | sean-k-mooney | and since that works we didnt notice | |
| 19:23:01 | EugenMayer440180 | for a backup supporting rotation? thats elaborated :) | |
| 19:23:57 | sean-k-mooney | https://paste.opendev.org/show/827657/ | |
| 19:24:07 | sean-k-mooney | so this is a clinet bug | |
| 19:24:15 | sean-k-mooney | nova responce fine and it fails exactly where i said it would | |
| 19:25:13 | sean-k-mooney | sean@devstack-ui:~$ openstack --os-cloud devstack-admin image list | |
| 19:25:15 | sean-k-mooney | Could not load 'message_list': module 'zaqarclient.queues.v2.cli' has no attribute 'OldListMessages' | |
| 19:25:17 | sean-k-mooney | Could not load 'message_post': module 'zaqarclient.queues.v2.cli' has no attribute 'OldPostMessages' | |
| 19:25:19 | sean-k-mooney | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------+--------+ | |
| 19:25:21 | sean-k-mooney | | ID | Name | Status | | |
| 19:25:23 | sean-k-mooney | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------+--------+ | |
| 19:25:25 | sean-k-mooney | | 6a1617c4-7b38-47ce-a197-c24932f1f358 | cirros-0.6.3-x86_64-disk | active | | |
| 19:25:27 | sean-k-mooney | | e7feb98c-9eca-463b-a8d1-54d90b265c76 | test | active | | |
| 19:25:29 | sean-k-mooney | | 7631698f-aac7-4ba0-93fd-c4ac7ccdc46f | test | active | | |
| 19:25:32 | sean-k-mooney | | 19aaf0a5-2978-4a8f-ac69-a812e4805750 | test | active | | |
| 19:25:33 | sean-k-mooney | +--------------------------------------+--------------------------+--------+ | |
| 19:25:40 | sean-k-mooney | its not happy with that as it expecgin thte name to be unique | |
| 19:27:59 | sean-k-mooney | so we can see in the debug output on line 62 https://paste.opendev.org/show/827657/ | |
| 19:28:20 | sean-k-mooney | RESP BODY: {"image_id": "e7feb98c-9eca-463b-a8d1-54d90b265c76"} | |
| 19:28:55 | sean-k-mooney | so the fix should be to save that to var and use it when geting the iamge https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/compute/v2/server_backup.py#L94-L102 | |
| 19:31:26 | EugenMayer440180 | good catch | |
| 19:38:45 | sean-k-mooney | EugenMayer440180: so unfortunetly to fix this we need to fix the sdk first | |
| 19:38:47 | sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/openstack/openstacksdk/blob/df1b9e4f8ca877a7caddcbb9afc66de225a8dd21/openstack/compute/v2/server.py#L635-L655 | |
| 19:39:10 | sean-k-mooney | it should return the id like create_image does https://github.com/openstack/openstacksdk/blob/df1b9e4f8ca877a7caddcbb9afc66de225a8dd21/openstack/compute/v2/server.py#L508-L551 | |