| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2025-01-17 | |||
| 16:39:06 | dansmith | yeah, problematic indeed, since it will cause us to unwrap a qcow2 into a raw with qemu | |
| 16:39:47 | dansmith | I'm not sure that would really happen unless qemu does empty space detection when you convert, and even if it did, it wouldn't work unless the guest OS had *actually* zeroed sectors | |
| 16:40:18 | sean-k-mooney | rigtht im thiniking of qcows sparce file supprot | |
| 16:40:33 | sean-k-mooney | but i also dont know if we enable that when we create the snapshot | |
| 16:41:08 | sean-k-mooney | but other then that usecase i dont really see a valid reason to ever set this | |
| 16:41:58 | dansmith | apparently it does zero detect and collapse (just tried) but still.. only helps if the guest zeroes the unused sectors or never touches them | |
| 16:42:35 | dansmith | anyway I'm on this because of our need to upload to glance with an accurate (i.e. raw vs gpt) format | |
| 16:43:00 | sean-k-mooney | im not sure if operators would scream but im inclind to say remove this current config option | |
| 16:43:18 | sean-k-mooney | im unsure if we shoudl have an option to say "match glance vs match file on disk" | |
| 16:43:51 | dansmith | well, that's what default is now | |
| 16:43:54 | sean-k-mooney | the kinder thing to do woudl be just set the glance type to what we are updating and continue to supprot this option | |
| 16:44:01 | dansmith | oh, you mean two options | |
| 16:44:02 | dansmith | I see | |
| 16:44:21 | sean-k-mooney | well this is config driven api behviaor right | |
| 16:44:46 | dansmith | I'm not really sure "match glance" is necessary, I just think it's more visible from the user's perspective and also helps us say "nope, you booted from gpt, so you stay gpt" | |
| 16:44:48 | dansmith | yes, it is | |
| 16:44:49 | sean-k-mooney | as an end user i woudl kind of expect the snapshot to be in the same format as the orgianl image | |
| 16:44:56 | dansmith | config-driven api behavior across two services | |
| 16:45:06 | sean-k-mooney | as an opterator that does nto want the iamge convertion overhead on every boot | |
| 16:45:13 | sean-k-mooney | i proably want it to match the file on disk | |
| 16:45:24 | dansmith | right, but, you upload a vmdk, it gets converted to raw, and snapshotted as a qcow2 | |
| 16:46:01 | dansmith | hard to say what behavior will please everyone, but it's also frustrating to have so much variability here | |
| 16:46:01 | sean-k-mooney | to some degree as long as the data and the format listed in galnce aling that actully ok | |
| 16:46:09 | dansmith | it's just more reason the ephemeral stuff is a mess | |
| 16:46:37 | sean-k-mooney | i mean one way around it would be to add the format to the snapshot api | |
| 16:47:06 | sean-k-mooney | but im not conviced that good to expose | |
| 16:47:21 | sean-k-mooney | for one i dont know if it woudl work for any other virt dirver | |
| 16:47:49 | sean-k-mooney | but ignoring that operator might now want ot allow that and it will also comlicate this code even more so... | |
| 16:48:12 | dansmith | nah, that would allow users to tickle qemu-img bugs | |
| 16:49:36 | sean-k-mooney | yep whihch seams bad. its better to let them convert it themselve after they download | |
| 16:49:45 | sean-k-mooney | well safeer perhaps not better | |
| 16:49:49 | dansmith | yeah | |
| 16:50:14 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: so are you just going to update the help text and make sure the format in glance is set correctly for now? | |
| 16:50:23 | dansmith | so basically, I think we need to inspect (with format inspector) the snapshot image if the target format is raw, and then upload to glance as raw or gpt depending | |
| 16:50:46 | sean-k-mooney | well snapshot is only for the root disk | |
| 16:50:56 | dansmith | it is set in glance correctly, AFAICT, but yeah, when I add that behavior I can update the text of the config option | |
| 16:51:04 | sean-k-mooney | so it will be gpt or one of the other formats but not raw right | |
| 16:51:41 | dansmith | well, in almost all cases yes, but presumably if you're running something really strange in your guest, or doing direct kernel boot with just a whole-disk filesystem... | |
| 16:51:57 | dansmith | as I said before, I think we should deprecate that behavior (at least require a full disk image even for direct kernel boot) | |
| 16:52:07 | dansmith | but presumably OS/2 in a guest could be a thing | |
| 16:52:26 | dansmith | even solaris on sparc has been GPT since 2010, and the arm server spec says GPT | |
| 16:52:39 | sean-k-mooney | hum im sure there are some bbs vms on opnestack somewhere | |
| 16:52:46 | dansmith | so the things you might be running in there that could legit be not on GPT is dwindling | |
| 16:52:52 | dansmith | bbs? | |
| 16:53:04 | sean-k-mooney | bullitin board systems | |
| 16:53:05 | dansmith | oh, BBS | |
| 16:53:05 | dansmith | hah | |
| 16:54:02 | sean-k-mooney | have you seen the offensivly modern BBS post. someone worte a k8s operator to dynamically scale out a BBS with new pods for conenctions as needed | |
| 16:54:19 | dansmith | nice | |
| 16:54:40 | sean-k-mooney | i dont have it to hand but i kind of like how they subverted moderen tech to run somethign liek that | |
| 16:54:55 | dansmith | yeah, that's cool | |
| 16:55:24 | dansmith | I still have a CP/M laptop with an integrated 300 baud modem downstairs | |
| 16:55:39 | dansmith | dialed int many a BBS with that thing | |
| 16:56:49 | dansmith | https://www.sinasohn.com/cgi-bin/clascomp/bldhtm.pl?computer=starlet | |
| 16:59:15 | sean-k-mooney | i dont know if you have every seen game stream on twich but there chat system is litraly just irc with soem extentions baked into the way they format the messges for emigi and the like | |
| 17:00:44 | dansmith | what? no threads? how will I miss messages? | |
| 17:00:51 | sean-k-mooney | :) | |
| 17:01:14 | sean-k-mooney | 8x40 LCD ouch not evn 80 cols | |
| 17:02:12 | sean-k-mooney | " Has WordStar built-in as well as a spreadsheet and terminal program. " in 96K of rom | |
| 17:03:43 | dansmith | it was awesome.. I typed some papers on it and transferred to the family PC over serial for printing | |
| 17:06:46 | sean-k-mooney | i wrote many a school essay on one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_V i ha a p4 erea laptop for a time btu fell back to that when it was in for repair for like 6 months. but ya same, serial transfer to a pc and then print | |
| 17:08:24 | dansmith | with a keyboard? | |
| 17:08:53 | dansmith | I still have my US Robotics Pilot 5000, the original upscale model, with a Palm 3 upgrade chip in it | |
| 17:09:20 | sean-k-mooney | unfortunetly no with a stylis typeign one leter at a time., i did try a laser typing attachment but it was actully slower | |
| 17:09:27 | dansmith | wow | |
| 17:10:28 | sean-k-mooney | because of my dyslexia i had a laptop form the age of about 11 for scool work. so in class i woudl use the laptop instead a notebook outside of scinece/math | |
| 17:11:16 | sean-k-mooney | when it broke i used that instead for a whiel until it coudl be fixed. at home i could just use the family pc whne my laptop was broken but ya. | |
| 17:11:44 | sean-k-mooney | i dont knwo if i woudl have the will power to type a 2000 word essay even on a modern phone keyboard at this point | |
| 17:13:07 | dansmith | yeah, graffiti was really really good.. I was definitely faster and more accurate with that than a modern phone | |
| 18:24:56 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability do not evacuate if ephemeral devices https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938235 | |
| 18:44:00 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability to preserve ephemeral in evacuation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938235 | |
| 19:46:20 | priteau | Hello Nova team. Did you notice that openstacksdk-functional-devstack has been consistently failing since earlier today? Always the same error in openstack.tests.functional.compute.v2.test_keypair.TestKeypairAdmin: openstack.exceptions.NotFoundException: No Keypair found for <id> | |
| 19:47:14 | priteau | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/builds?job_name=openstacksdk-functional-devstack&project=openstack/nova | |
| 19:47:21 | sean-k-mooney | we have not changed anything related to keypairs lately so that does not sound like its related to nova | |
| 19:48:52 | priteau | Yes, nothing new merged today | |
| 19:49:19 | sean-k-mooney | for it to affect the sdk it woudl ahve had to have been an api change or a default policy change | |
| 19:49:30 | priteau | But I looked on opendev at the list of merged patches today, nothing looked suspect to me. Some requirements bump but they were earlier in the day. | |
| 19:49:31 | sean-k-mooney | and we have have not done either this cycle | |
| 19:51:45 | priteau | We'll see if it still happens after the weekend | |
| 20:35:14 | frickler | sean-k-mooney: priteau: the only changes that I see got merged in the suspicious timeframe were in keystone, asking over there now | |
| 20:44:21 | priteau | frickler: I just realised that the first failure (https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/1bed6dab1cc1497a9a4a6a4e83d8a11e) had this keystone change included: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/keystone/+/938814 | |
| 20:48:34 | opendevreview | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/nova master: [DNM] Checking gate health https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939560 | |
| #openstack-nova - 2025-01-18 | |||
| 01:19:05 | sean-k-mooney | /python reload slack | |
| 15:31:47 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability to preserve ephemeral in evacuation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938235 | |
| 19:32:13 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Add "preserve_ephemeral" in server evacuation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-novaclient/+/939592 | |
| #openstack-nova - 2025-01-20 | |||
| 01:32:41 | opendevreview | suiong ng proposed openstack/nova master: Fix parameter order in add_instance_info_to_node https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939411 | |
| 09:38:15 | opendevreview | James Page proposed openstack/nova master: Add RISCV64 QEMU emulation support. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/889137 | |
| 09:48:00 | opendevreview | James Page proposed openstack/nova master: Add RISCV64 QEMU emulation support. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/889137 | |
| 13:47:34 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/python-novaclient master: Add "preserve_ephemeral" in server evacuation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/python-novaclient/+/939592 | |
| 13:49:03 | opendevreview | Guillaume Boutry proposed openstack/placement master: Adapt cmd unit test depending on python version https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/placement/+/939637 | |
| 14:10:28 | opendevreview | Masahito Muroi proposed openstack/nova master: Add context switch chance to other thread during get_available_resources https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938215 | |
| 14:41:33 | opendevreview | mitya-eremeev-2 proposed openstack/nova master: Add ability to preserve ephemeral in evacuation https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938235 | |
| 14:58:12 | opendevreview | Amit Uniyal proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: remove swap.disk from disk.info https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939643 | |
| 15:42:01 | opendevreview | Rajesh Tailor proposed openstack/nova master: Add support for showing image properties in server show response https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939649 | |
| 15:58:43 | opendevreview | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: [CI][nova-next]test with placement ac breadth-first https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/937275 | |
| 17:01:13 | opendevreview | Masahito Muroi proposed openstack/nova master: Use defaultdict object for request_specs dict in the _list_view https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939658 | |
| 19:19:59 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: libvirt: Wrap un-proxied listDevices() and listAllDevices() https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939317 | |
| 19:36:40 | sean-k-mooney | woot ^ melwitt | |
| 19:58:06 | opendevreview | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/nova stable/2024.2: libvirt: Wrap un-proxied listDevices() and listAllDevices() https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939665 | |
| 21:09:06 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: Add whitebox-devstack-multinode job to periodic https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/833453 | |