| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2023-10-23 | |||
| 12:26:53 | bauzas | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-caracal-ptg#L40 | |
| 12:27:04 | bauzas | I don't wanna do like cinder and hardcut times | |
| 12:27:08 | bauzas | for every single topic | |
| 12:27:18 | sean-k-mooney | on they are at the topic not on the topics | |
| 12:27:19 | bauzas | I'm just giving a strawman proposal for the time we need | |
| 12:27:36 | sean-k-mooney | honelyst i would not look there for times | |
| 12:27:46 | bauzas | that's something we do since Yoga | |
| 12:27:52 | sean-k-mooney | but ok i guess. | |
| 12:27:53 | bauzas | even before IIRC | |
| 12:28:06 | bauzas | we purge the list like we want | |
| 12:28:10 | bauzas | and how long we need | |
| 12:28:11 | sean-k-mooney | we used to also put times later on and rearrge the topics | |
| 12:28:24 | bauzas | but I'm providing some kind of high-level view for people wondering | |
| 12:28:44 | bauzas | and then, courtesy list is there for convenience | |
| 12:30:06 | sean-k-mooney | by th eway when you type Nova (Placement) sessions | |
| 12:30:15 | sean-k-mooney | i assume this is just talking about placement | |
| 12:30:24 | sean-k-mooney | or nova placement interaction | |
| 12:31:00 | bauzas | fixed | |
| 12:31:02 | bauzas | good spot | |
| 12:31:04 | sean-k-mooney | thanks | |
| 12:31:53 | bauzas | I thought I had the day for doing other things but no | |
| 12:32:05 | bauzas | my whole afternoon is packed with sessions | |
| 12:36:34 | sean-k-mooney | other then the ci comunity sesssion im not sure if ill attende anything today. i would normally sit in the kolla room but i dont really have much interafction with kolla anymore | |
| 12:37:32 | sean-k-mooney | i might join the rbac session too but again i dont really hav emuch to add there im more intersted in how far we are to the secure rbac goal | |
| 12:38:03 | sean-k-mooney | on the nova side we still have some work on the service user i think although the cve acceleartated that a bit | |
| 12:38:04 | bauzas | I'll just attend to act more as a liaison | |
| 12:38:23 | bauzas | yep, gmann had a series on it | |
| 12:38:57 | sean-k-mooney | idealy by now it shoudl be possibel to do everythign other services need to do on nova's api vai the service user | |
| 12:39:01 | bauzas | but anyway, that's a good session for me to remember where we are and where we go | |
| 12:39:02 | sean-k-mooney | but im not sure we are there yet | |
| 12:39:22 | sean-k-mooney | based on the orginal timeline also we should be looking at the manager role which we have not started on | |
| 12:39:35 | bauzas | for board session about AI generated content, I'll just attend because I'm asked to | |
| 12:39:56 | sean-k-mooney | when is that | |
| 12:39:59 | bauzas | but honestly I don't think this is a sortable problem by both the time we have and the people who're in | |
| 12:40:45 | bauzas | if this is just saying "dude, you shall add a git commit tag that'd say you were lazy enough to use an AI bot", then I doubt that people will opt into it :) | |
| 12:41:21 | bauzas | and if this is about making sure we don't hit copyrights on materials, that's not something I can solve | |
| 12:41:31 | bauzas | this is more a licensing problem than a gerrit problem | |
| 12:41:57 | opendevreview | Takashi Kajinami proposed openstack/nova master: Drop remaining deprecated upgrade_levels option for nova-cert https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/898613 | |
| 12:42:01 | bauzas | so I guess the whole hour will just be about defining the scope of that discussion :) | |
| 12:42:03 | sean-k-mooney | ai generated content is not copyrightable at least under us law | |
| 12:42:36 | sean-k-mooney | more boadly it was establised as a leagl precidnet a few years ago that copyright can only be created for works crated by a human | |
| 12:42:42 | bauzas | yeah I know and that's why I think this is not something solvable on our level | |
| 12:42:58 | sean-k-mooney | that was esablised after a chim too a selfie with a photograper camra | |
| 12:43:18 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: the problem is more about AI generated content that infrigues copyrights due to its training model | |
| 12:43:53 | bauzas | but again, not something TC can solve or even the board IMHO | |
| 12:43:56 | sean-k-mooney | well they person who submits the patch is atesting that they have the rights to the code that is submited | |
| 12:44:35 | sean-k-mooney | so in practic today that falls on the commiter to ensure they commit they authered with or without assicance is compient with the liscenes ectra | |
| 12:44:45 | bauzas | sure, I guess the board session will be about identifying threats | |
| 12:44:59 | sean-k-mooney | to be clear this would also apply to any non api generated content form variios tools | |
| 12:45:28 | bauzas | yeah I had the color word in my mind | |
| 12:45:56 | bauzas | any assistance to writing some code implies that it doesn't infrigue the copyright | |
| 13:25:36 | artom | https://ptg2023.openinfra.dev/a/ is completely broken for me | |
| 13:26:28 | artom | https://imgur.com/a/52vtguD | |
| 13:26:45 | bauzas | artom: you shouldn't be looking at this website | |
| 13:27:06 | artom | There are many things I shouldn't be doing ;) | |
| 13:27:15 | bauzas | https://ptg.opendev.org/ptg.html is the source | |
| 13:28:03 | artom | Thanks - annoying that that link is completely undiscoverable | |
| 13:28:15 | artom | So Nova "proper" doesn't start until tomorrow, then | |
| 13:43:46 | gibi | artom: yepp | |
| 13:44:09 | gibi | today is rbac, tc, board, and similar discussions are expected | |
| 14:00:38 | kashyap | The infra session is starting now: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/rooms/diablo | |
| 14:06:54 | bauzas | artom: that's why I wrote an email telling about our agenda :) | |
| 14:24:49 | artom | bauzas, not a dig at you, just frustration that literally every vPTG I have the same problem, of not being able to find the schedule and list of room from the official website | |
| 14:31:49 | sean-k-mooney | bauzas: ill be afk for a bit but do you get where i was coming form regardign the config option | |
| 14:32:20 | sean-k-mooney | bauzas: basically i just want to avoid having to make two call to neutron one with the service token and falling back to admin client for port binding | |
| 14:32:47 | sean-k-mooney | so eiter we document that the nova user shoudl also have the service role | |
| 14:33:24 | sean-k-mooney | when neutron is configured to reqiure it or we have a config option to say use_service_tokens | |
| 14:33:33 | sean-k-mooney | in the neutron section until that becomes required | |
| 14:34:40 | sean-k-mooney | i dont really like the documention approch since it may result in passing a token with both admin and service roles when only one of the two should be required | |
| 14:34:49 | sean-k-mooney | but it could work | |
| 14:35:17 | sean-k-mooney | so i would prefer a config option that told use to either use the admin client or not for the transition period | |
| 14:35:54 | sean-k-mooney | ok ill be back at the top of the hour o/ | |
| 14:40:45 | kashyap | Ominous, "the end times", dansmith | |
| 15:09:29 | sean-k-mooney | oh wait there are two board calls | |
| 15:09:38 | sean-k-mooney | did they already disucss the ai topic | |
| 15:09:56 | bauzas | yup | |
| 15:10:17 | bauzas | looks like all the teams are using Zoom | |
| 15:10:32 | bauzas | so I think I'll revert to using it for tomorrow | |
| 15:11:35 | clarkb | kolla is using meetpad | |
| 15:11:39 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney: The etherpad captured some meeting minutes | |
| 15:11:54 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney: It was a good discussion. (I frankly expected less signal; but there was more of it) | |
| 15:12:04 | kashyap | ("Good", but distressing for me.) | |
| 15:12:28 | sean-k-mooney | kashyap: ok i was going to contibnute too that but tought it was at the later slot today | |
| 15:13:07 | sean-k-mooney | i have had good expericne useing copiolt since i paid for a one year subscriptiong in september | |
| 15:13:10 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney: Minutes: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oct2023-ptg-openinfra-board | |
| 15:13:28 | sean-k-mooney | i still need to leverage my core review skill set to be critical of the suggestions it makes | |
| 15:13:36 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney: I see. Jay Faulkner also noted his (very interesting to me) exerience w/ a paid co-pilot sub | |
| 15:13:38 | sean-k-mooney | but for an experinced contibutor it has benifit | |
| 15:14:40 | sean-k-mooney | ill read back the comments but i tought this was goign to happen at the na board slot at 21:00 utc | |
| 15:14:46 | kashyap | Yeah, for very new people, he called it [generative AI] as an "extremely attractive nuisance". I'm glad there was a clear distinction between "generative AI" vs. "assissted AI" | |
| 15:14:52 | clarkb | sean-k-mooney: it is at 21:00 as well | |
| 15:14:59 | clarkb | there are two sessions schedueld for the topic | |
| 15:15:16 | kashyap | I see, didn't know that | |
| 15:15:24 | sean-k-mooney | clarkb: ah ok ill try to joint that one if im still online around that time | |
| 15:16:16 | kashyap | s/assisted/assistive/ | |
| 16:18:48 | hamburgler | bauzas: yes you were correct ty :) my oversight | |
| 16:58:00 | bauzas | haleyb: good news, we do have a cross-project item ! | |
| 16:58:13 | bauzas | haleyb: fancy finding a timeslot in common ? | |
| 16:58:59 | haleyb | bauzas: we have timeslots on thursday, one later one on wednesday | |
| 17:00:02 | bauzas | thursday would fit | |