| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2022-03-08 | |||
| 16:43:24 | elodilles | true :) | |
| 16:43:28 | bauzas | but I have seen you rebased, so I'll vote | |
| 16:43:35 | bauzas | easy peasy | |
| 16:43:43 | elodilles | bauzas: ack, thx | |
| 16:43:44 | bauzas | nothing other to add ? | |
| 16:43:50 | elodilles | and i think that's it | |
| 16:43:59 | elodilles | nothing else | |
| 16:44:19 | bauzas | k | |
| 16:44:33 | bauzas | #topic Open discussion | |
| 16:44:38 | bauzas | nothing on the agenda | |
| 16:44:43 | bauzas | any item before we close ? | |
| 16:45:38 | bauzas | OK, if so | |
| 16:45:48 | bauzas | let's call it's 15 to beer o'clock | |
| 16:45:51 | bauzas | #endmeeting | |
| 16:45:51 | opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 16:45:51 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | |
| 16:45:51 | opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-03-08-16.00.html | |
| 16:45:51 | opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-03-08-16.00.txt | |
| 16:45:51 | opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2022/nova.2022-03-08-16.00.log.html | |
| 16:45:58 | gibi | bauzas: thanks! | |
| 16:46:02 | elodilles | thanks bauzas o/ | |
| 16:46:09 | bauzas | damn, I forgot to thank you all | |
| 16:46:13 | bauzas | my manners | |
| 16:46:20 | bauzas | I'm gross | |
| 16:46:31 | bauzas | and I prefer talking of alcohol instead | |
| 16:46:45 | elodilles | :] | |
| 16:47:12 | gibi | don't drink and drive :)( | |
| 16:47:20 | sean-k-mooney | bauzas: by the way whe you say it louder this is what i here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaI2IlHwmgQ | |
| 16:47:40 | bauzas | gibi: I have Autopilot (c) | |
| 16:47:48 | gibi | nice :) | |
| 16:47:54 | bauzas | nah, kidding | |
| 16:48:19 | gibi | don't give alcohol to the Autopilot then :) | |
| 16:48:33 | bauzas | in Europe, you need to hold your steering wheel every 15 fucking seconds | |
| 16:49:12 | gibi | but I guess it is enough to hold it with one hand, so with the other you can still hold the beer :) | |
| 16:49:58 | gibi | sean-k-mooney: lol | |
| 16:50:30 | bauzas | gibi: this works with any automatic gearbox :p | |
| 16:50:47 | gibi | don't tell me your tesla has a stick :D | |
| 16:51:29 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: lol about the black eyed peas | |
| 16:51:50 | gibi | anyhow I hope you enjoy the new car | |
| 16:52:00 | bauzas | gibi: indeed | |
| 16:53:10 | sean-k-mooney | you know its one thing ill miss when i swap to eletric. i like driving a manual/stick shift | |
| 16:53:35 | sean-k-mooney | that said i do like the curse control in my i30 too | |
| 16:56:42 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: fwiw, my first daughter is about to start driving | |
| 16:56:49 | bauzas | in 2 years-ish | |
| 16:57:09 | sean-k-mooney | do ye have the same rule that if you passs in an automatic you cannot drive a manual | |
| 16:57:11 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: given we only have automatic gearbox cars, she'll learn on those | |
| 16:57:19 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: correct but, | |
| 16:58:05 | sean-k-mooney | honestly in her lifetime it might be at the point were it wont matter for most people | |
| 16:58:06 | bauzas | once she gets her driving licence (only accepting to drive automatic cars), she'll be able to take 6 hours of lessons with manual gearbox cars | |
| 16:58:15 | bauzas | that's the plan we have | |
| 16:58:30 | sean-k-mooney | well in ireland she woudl have to resit the test | |
| 16:58:37 | bauzas | easier to get the license first, and then learn with the manual cars | |
| 17:00:02 | bauzas | this is different here, you have about to pass a formal theorical exam when you are 15 | |
| 17:00:41 | bauzas | and then you're on a "learning period" when you can drive your parent's car provided an adult is with you | |
| 17:01:01 | bauzas | at 18, you can pass the practical exam when you drive | |
| 17:01:20 | bauzas | which allows you to be on probation for 2 years only | |
| 17:01:28 | bauzas | but you can drive alon | |
| 17:01:29 | bauzas | alone | |
| 17:02:17 | sean-k-mooney | that basically the same here | |
| 17:02:49 | sean-k-mooney | but to get your licene updated to allow you to drive a manual if you passed in an automatic you have to do the pratical driving test again | |
| 17:03:16 | sean-k-mooney | like add the -e option to allow trailers or addign another catagory | |
| 17:04:41 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: I see, the only difference then is that there is no practical driving "official" test | |
| 17:04:45 | bauzas | (again I mean) | |
| 17:05:07 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: after 3 months once you get your license, you can take a 7-hour class about driving a manual | |
| 17:05:43 | sean-k-mooney | ya that is simpler if she wants to do that | |
| 17:05:46 | bauzas | after those 7 hours, the driving school gives you a paper that validates your skills | |
| 17:06:01 | bauzas | and you don't need to pass an exam again | |
| 17:06:20 | rribaud__ | bauzas, sean-k-mooney , regarding the ssh rsa key creation removal. Maybe it is something I can do ? That looks not too hard ? | |
| 17:06:38 | bauzas | rribaud__: this is just about deprecating an API | |
| 17:06:45 | bauzas | technically an easy peasy | |
| 17:06:57 | bauzas | but there be dragons with the explanation | |
| 17:07:22 | sean-k-mooney | rribaud__: well in this cycle it just deprecation and then it removal would happen in a new micoroverison but we need to consider the new tick tock life cycle too | |
| 17:07:45 | sean-k-mooney | rribaud__: for the most part we dont actully remove api code | |
| 17:07:54 | sean-k-mooney | we just disable it in the new microverion | |
| 17:08:07 | sean-k-mooney | since we key the fucntionality in old microverions | |
| 17:08:44 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: IIUC, zed would be tock release | |
| 17:09:06 | sean-k-mooney | yes so we cant actully remvoe it until A | |
| 17:09:18 | bauzas | no | |
| 17:09:28 | bauzas | that's not what I understood | |
| 17:09:28 | sean-k-mooney | if we deprecate in yoga or zed we cant remove it until the next tick | |
| 17:09:34 | bauzas | given yoga was a tick release | |
| 17:09:48 | dansmith | to be clear, neither are tick or tock | |
| 17:09:49 | bauzas | we can't remove in the next tick release | |
| 17:10:31 | dansmith | tick-tock starts at A.. but thinking about this in terms of tick-tock is good exercise for sure | |
| 17:10:35 | bauzas | dansmith: damn, you should write a book "New OpenStack release cadence for Dummies" | |
| 17:10:56 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: the patch mentioned treatign yoga to A as a dry run | |
| 17:10:57 | dansmith | bauzas: just consider tock as a milestone release | |
| 17:11:09 | bauzas | dansmith: that's what I understood | |
| 17:11:22 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: yep, that's why I say going through the exercise is good, but it's not in force yet, is all I'm saying | |
| 17:11:22 | bauzas | dansmith: so removing an API deprecated in zed would be C, right? | |
| 17:11:37 | bauzas | it would be harsh if we would remove in A | |
| 17:11:56 | dansmith | bauzas: yes, but if you really deprecate it in zed, you would need to make sure that A *also* has it in the renos because people not deploying tock releases won't read those renos | |
| 17:12:02 | sean-k-mooney | "Y->A should be a "dress rehearsal" where we have the jobs enabled to help smoke out any issues, but where hard guarantees are not yet made." | |
| 17:12:36 | bauzas | dansmith: that's what I understood again | |
| 17:12:43 | sean-k-mooney | in anycase we woudl not remove this till A beacuew we likely wont deprecate in y at this point so the deprecation will be in zed | |
| 17:12:51 | bauzas | I'm assuming our relnotes won't be that read for Zed | |
| 17:12:56 | dansmith | bauzas: btw, doc fro the p-t-g: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/832126/1/doc/source/deprecation.rst | |
| 17:13:16 | sean-k-mooney | bauzas: why i think that is not something we should assume | |
| 17:13:32 | bauzas | that reminds me to add an item to the nova etherpad about the cadence | |
| 17:13:39 | sean-k-mooney | im expecting that each tick will have the deperaction fomr the previous tick and tock | |
| 17:14:28 | bauzas | fortunately, we only have tick and tock releases and not Huey, Dewey and Louie releases | |