| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2021-11-26 | |||
| 09:43:33 | lyarwood | oh crap I thought that was updated in this PS | |
| 09:43:43 | lyarwood | okay so -1 until that's actually blocked in setup.cfg | |
| 09:47:00 | bauzas | oh, shit, I just sent it to the gate. | |
| 09:47:32 | bauzas | lyarwood: I thought we had a consensus | |
| 09:47:46 | lyarwood | yeah but setup.cfg hadn't changed to reflect it | |
| 09:48:31 | lyarwood | I missed that earlier | |
| 09:48:53 | lyarwood | I thought the latest PS had changed, we were discussing stuff on an older PS that confused things | |
| 09:50:58 | bauzas | lyarwood: I eventually thought we said "OK but meh" | |
| 09:51:27 | bauzas | lyarwood: what we can is to provide a FUP for modifying setup.cfg, no ? | |
| 09:51:36 | bauzas | gibi: thoughts ? | |
| 09:51:52 | lyarwood | bauzas: yeah sure I can do that now | |
| 09:52:04 | bauzas | lyarwood: cool, appreciated | |
| 09:52:04 | lyarwood | apologies, that was my fault | |
| 09:52:23 | bauzas | lyarwood: no no it's me | |
| 09:52:34 | bauzas | I saw gibi +2ing it | |
| 09:53:05 | bauzas | and I thought the consensus was to say "nice talk, but let's just accept py36 to be unsupported but still used" | |
| 09:53:07 | bauzas | hence my comment | |
| 09:57:17 | opendevreview | Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: fup: Require python >= 3.8 from Yoga https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/819415 | |
| 09:57:32 | lyarwood | Yeah no issues, there's the fup anyway | |
| 09:57:39 | lyarwood | we can discuss more there | |
| 09:59:38 | lyarwood | tbh thinking about it we might want to broadcast something like this on the ML | |
| 09:59:47 | lyarwood | as it's going to break any centos8 stream jobs people have | |
| 10:01:42 | bauzas | lyarwood: yeah, you're right | |
| 10:13:40 | kashyap | Plug in approximate numbers for the first entries; hit "Start" and watch it roll | |
| 10:14:26 | lyarwood | https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/4b3e8872abc54e96b992747b739b7d3b/log/job-output.txt looks like we need to update the LC job as well before this will work | |
| 10:15:40 | gibi | kashyap: 200 hourly rate?! I need to talk to my manager .... | |
| 10:16:15 | kashyap | gibi: It's usually managers and their managers that might have that hourly rate :D | |
| 10:16:39 | stephenfin | gibi: Nice :-D | |
| 10:17:46 | kashyap | gibi: The website is also US-based; as we know, the numbers won't be a 1-1 mapping for EU. | |
| 10:21:09 | gibi | I can imagine it maps to some EU countries but not to where I sit. :D | |
| 10:25:25 | bauzas | gibi: that depends on if you count the company payslip taxes too | |
| 10:26:44 | bauzas | maybe folks don't know, but for 100€ in a French brute payslip, the person gets somethink like 70€ and the company pays *140€* | |
| 10:27:32 | bauzas | ie. in between what the company pays, and what the person gets, it's around 100% taxes | |
| 10:33:17 | gibi | bauzas: similar here | |
| 10:34:46 | gibi | from 100 I get 66 and company pays a total of 117 | |
| 10:35:21 | gibi | numbers are nicer with kids. | |
| 10:37:22 | bauzas | interesting comparison | |
| 10:37:24 | sean-k-mooney[m] | bauzas i think irish takes work out at more. 40% income tax on aything earned over 39000 a year + 4.5% universal social charge (usc) on your gross income over ~19,000 + paye related social insurace (prsi) at 4% by employee and 11.5% by employer | |
| 10:37:52 | bauzas | man, did I opened a can of worms :D | |
| 10:38:50 | sean-k-mooney[m] | so for you t orecive 100 gross in ireland the comapany pay 115 and you will recive about 51 euro net | |
| 10:39:22 | bauzas | again, interesting | |
| 10:39:25 | sean-k-mooney[m] | at least if you are in the higher tage bracket for earning more then 39,000 a year | |
| 10:39:48 | bauzas | looks like associates pay less for taxes than the company, but at the end, taxes are similar | |
| 10:39:58 | bauzas | sean-k-mooney: sames goes here | |
| 10:40:15 | bauzas | I reflected my level of pay | |
| 10:40:46 | bauzas | and yeah, whether you're having kids, you pay less | |
| 10:41:08 | bauzas | but this was limited to a discount of 1500€ per kid roughly | |
| 10:41:15 | bauzas | (per year) | |
| 10:41:39 | sean-k-mooney[m] | we do it slightly differnt in that you dont pay less but you get a tax credit which is deuected form your yearly tax | |
| 10:42:31 | sean-k-mooney[m] | we also have paye pay as you earn | |
| 10:42:41 | sean-k-mooney[m] | so you dont file your own tax returns | |
| 10:42:51 | bauzas | if people read asimov's foundation (and don't look at the TV series which is a joke), they'll understand that any single govnerment can only generate more taxes over the time | |
| 10:42:56 | sean-k-mooney[m] | your employer deducts tax at source and files it for you | |
| 10:43:34 | sean-k-mooney[m] | which i like since for the most part you dont haver to worry about this | |
| 10:44:10 | bauzas | very quickly, we have three levels of taxes for a single payslip | |
| 10:44:40 | bauzas | 1/ the company taxes, payed by the company, which are roughly 47% except for minimum wages | |
| 10:45:42 | bauzas | 2/ the social, retirement and insurance taxes, which are roughy 15-20%, and independent of your household | |
| 10:45:47 | kashyap | bauzas: I've been wanting to read Asimov; thanks for the reminder! | |
| 10:46:23 | bauzas | 3/ the income taxes, which were only collected once per year very late, and which changed recently and are now paid directly over the payslip | |
| 10:47:04 | bauzas | kashyap: don't read my twitter account, you could get spoiled as I yelled multiple times at the series | |
| 10:47:26 | kashyap | bauzas: Heh, don't worry; I'm social-media clean for 9 years now :-) | |
| 10:47:36 | bauzas | kashyap: I also retired from Twitter | |
| 10:47:49 | kashyap | More power to you. | |
| 10:48:09 | kashyap | JOMO++ (joy of missing out) | |
| 10:48:14 | bauzas | hell yeah, and Facebook is just very little used | |
| 10:48:45 | bauzas | kashyap: never read Asimov N | |
| 10:48:46 | bauzas | ? | |
| 10:49:20 | bauzas | this is vast, I'd recomment you to start with Foundation's Prelude to get a chronological view instead of a publication view | |
| 10:49:36 | bauzas | but you'd also have to read some other books | |
| 10:49:42 | kashyap | bauzas: No. The only sci-fi I've ever read is Iain M. Banks' Culture series | |
| 10:49:48 | bauzas | the Robots cycle, obviously | |
| 10:50:04 | kashyap | Noted :) Thx for the reco | |
| 10:50:12 | bauzas | but there are also some books very worthy between the Robots period and the Foundation perioid | |
| 10:50:43 | bauzas | sweating* even | |
| 10:59:21 | sean-k-mooney[m] | kashyap your missing out. i “read” mostly via audio books on audible. i have complete abour 280 ish books in the last 6 years almost all are sifi/space opera/lit rpg or are fantasy. as someone with dislexia who has preverisly only read a hand full of books every audio books really work for me | |
| 10:59:59 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney[m]: Yeah, I'll completely believe you. And I'm glad that you're able to enjoy audio books | |
| 11:01:28 | sean-k-mooney[m] | that remiands me i think a new book in one of the series im following is out soon i should check | |
| 11:01:53 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney[m]: On missing out; I hear ya. I mostly read (physical) books in the area of "cognitive science": neuroscience, psychology, primate/human behaviour, biology, ancient Greek/Roman philosophy, and linguistics :D | |
| 11:02:13 | kashyap | I do read fiction; but have reduced it a lot. I should get back to it a bit more, to lighten up the mood :) | |
| 11:02:49 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney[m]: For audio, I listen to 90-minute podcasts, but haven't yet tried a proper audiobook. I'll really need to give it a go | |
| 11:03:04 | kashyap | Thanks for the reminder! | |
| 11:03:55 | lyarwood | bauzas / sean-k-mooney ; https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/815373 - I think I've got my head around this, it's weird but I guess it's valid as a bugfix. Would appreciate review and maybe some TODO fups from someone setting out a better solution that doesn't rely on the persistent domain XML. | |
| 11:06:24 | kashyap | lyarwood: "The | |
| 11:06:31 | kashyap | ... limitation has been lifted since then" -- is that in libvirt? | |
| 11:06:37 | kashyap | (From the commit message) | |
| 11:06:51 | sean-k-mooney[m] | i think in qemu | |
| 11:06:52 | lyarwood | Yeah correct, they didn't list the version in the commit message but it's in the releasenote | |
| 11:06:53 | kashyap | The hot-unplug of mediated device, i.e. | |
| 11:07:10 | lyarwood | and yeah I'm sure it's both libvirt and QEMU | |
| 11:07:10 | sean-k-mooney[m] | basicaly nova managed save did not support mdevs | |
| 11:07:11 | kashyap | sean-k-mooney[m]: It's libvirt, the previous sentence talks of libvirt | |
| 11:07:25 | kashyap | lyarwood: Yeah; that's also correct, actually. | |
| 11:07:44 | sean-k-mooney[m] | *libvirt managed save | |
| 11:08:09 | kashyap | Yea | |
| 11:08:10 | sean-k-mooney[m] | kashyap well the libvirt limitation was becasue of a qemu limitation i belive | |
| 11:08:21 | sean-k-mooney[m] | anyway now they do supprot | |
| 11:08:42 | sean-k-mooney[m] | it so we dont need too or want too detach the mdevs right | |
| 11:08:54 | sean-k-mooney[m] | but resume need to support both the new and old behavior | |
| 11:09:06 | kashyap | (Yeah; I said it could be both a follow-up above.) | |
| 11:11:04 | sean-k-mooney[m] | ack | |