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#openstack-nova - 2018-10-10
20:05:27 dansmith we can't really know if there are more unless we try and hit zero
20:05:36 dansmith without doing more database stuff to count separately from doing
20:05:41 dansmith which is not worth it, IMHO
20:06:04 dansmith so, while (rc==1) { doit }
20:06:22 imacdonn personally, I kinda wish there was a way to find out how many migrations are needed, before attempting any
20:06:33 imacdonn I might want to do this when planning an upgrade
20:06:58 sean-k-mooney ok so 1 just used to mean there was a partial update so we need to loop that i think makes sense
20:07:05 sean-k-mooney and 0 means we are done
20:07:13 dansmith sean-k-mooney: no, 1 means we did things, that's ALL it means :)
20:07:15 sean-k-mooney dansmith: what is the smantics of 2 in your case
20:07:16 dansmith might be partial, might be full
20:07:18 mriedem sorrison: if you wanted to policy something, i'd think having policy on the ability to create multiple servers in a single request would be a good one so you can avoid tenants killing your scheduler with large burst multi-create requests
20:07:25 mriedem especially if those users have higher than normal quota
20:07:40 dansmith sean-k-mooney: hopefully this can be the last time I say this, but 2 means we couldn't make any more progress, and exceptions were raised
20:07:41 mriedem we probably had a policy on the multi-create API extension at some point
20:08:08 mriedem make it 2.5....
20:08:09 mriedem and i'm sold
20:08:14 dansmith sean-k-mooney: so you can distinguish between "can't make any more progress" and "can't make any more progress, but things seem unhappy"
20:08:19 sean-k-mooney dansmith: ok but we dont stop trying migration on the first exception
20:08:32 dansmith sean-k-mooney: exactly
20:09:18 sean-k-mooney my piont it 2 would only ever be retruned if all the migrations in the first iteration failed
20:09:25 dansmith no
20:09:39 mriedem sorrison: maybe that's just never been a problem b/c of quota restrictions, the multi-create thing i mean
20:10:05 dansmith sean-k-mooney: did you mean the last iteration? my answer is still no, but...
20:10:29 imacdonn no, 2 gets returned if the only remaining possible migrations barfed for some reason
20:10:29 dansmith sean-k-mooney: with the suggestion I just made to imacdonn, we keep a total_run count and use that for 2 instead of ran, which is just "the last iteration"
20:10:38 mriedem melwitt: isn't this more than just the db backend for console auth? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1795982 - it's been regressed since multi-cell support in pike
20:10:38 openstack Launchpad bug 1795982 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "/os-console-auth-tokens/{console_token} API doesn't handle the database backend" [High,In progress] - Assigned to melanie witt (melwitt)
20:10:38 dansmith imacdonn: right
20:10:56 dansmith imacdonn: maybe just tweak and push that up and we can argue about it after there's something to see?
20:11:12 dansmith I'm getting kinda frustrated with this overly minute detail and really want to get on to other stuff before I end my day
20:11:12 imacdonn dansmith: roger. will do after lunch
20:11:16 dansmith imacdonn: thanks
20:11:30 melwitt mriedem: I don't think so because nova-consoleauth is global, you don't need to know anything about cells to query it
20:11:34 sean-k-mooney dansmith: yes i was referring to "total_run==0 and exceptions" for retrun 2
20:12:10 melwitt mriedem: that is, it's storage of console token auths is global across all cells
20:12:10 efried dansmith, imacdonn: I don't intend to get super involved in this, but have we considered allowing behavior change(s) (e.g. where exceptions cause failure) based on an env var or CLI switch? (Sorry, this thought has been bouncing around in my head for a week, had to get it out.)
20:12:40 dansmith efried: I don't think we need a behavior change here
20:12:48 mriedem hmm, ok https://docs.openstack.org/nova/queens/user/cellsv2-layout.html#consoleauth-service-and-console-proxies
20:12:52 efried ...so that existing automations aren't affected, but new users can have the benefit of potentially improved UX
20:12:54 mriedem got confused about what's global or not
20:12:57 dansmith efried: if we did, then sure
20:13:04 openstackgerrit Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: Handle volume API failure in post_live_migration https://review.openstack.org/609517
20:13:39 sean-k-mooney dansmith: imacdonn you know what im fine with what ever you implement and ill read teh code after to understand what the exit code actully mean.
20:13:51 efried Okay. When I stopped looking, the patch was suggesting a behavior change that seemed fair and just to me, but was nacked for that reason.
20:14:57 imacdonn efried: we've introduced a new exit status, so the logic for the existing ones doesn't have to change .. I think it'll only "break" when there are exceptions and no more possible migrations, and we *want* it to break in that case
20:15:02 dansmith efried: the only thing that could make this more dreadful would be two behaviors in the same set of code :)
20:15:13 dansmith imacdonn: ++
20:15:40 efried dansmith: Hm, we should introduce a microversioning system for that.
20:15:54 dansmith efried: we should microversion your butt.
20:16:22 dansmith if we ever have nova-manage cellv2 thingy --cli-version=2.123
20:16:25 dansmith then just shoot me
20:16:54 melwitt mriedem: yeah, so the /os-console-auth-tokens/{console_token} API calls nova-consoleauth over RPC, and nova-consoleauth was made cell-aware sometime in the past, so all was working fine with multi-cell (unless there's a bug we don't know about). but when we moved to the database backend, that's what made it so that the /os-console-auth-tokens API would need to be able to talk to cell databases directly instead of going through the
20:16:54 melwitt nova-consoleauth service
20:17:37 efried what we really need is nested microversions
20:17:59 sean-k-mooney imacdonn: retruaning any new code will still requrie autoation scirpt to handel the new error case or manual intervention so the fact there is a behavior change or not is slight less important that said in the sucess case the codes should not change
20:18:01 mriedem god i bet my cross-cell resize stuff needs to recreate console auth tokens for the moved instance in the target cell db too...
20:18:03 mriedem like bdms and tags
20:18:13 mriedem and virtual_interfaces...
20:19:18 melwitt you could probably just punt that though, let them have to get a fresh console token after a cross-cell move
20:19:31 imacdonn sean-k-mooney: that's true, and that's why there's a release note for this, and it may not be backportable ... but the most common case will be running the command without --max-count and expecting a 0, or rerunning it until you don't get 1
20:19:55 melwitt default TTL for console token auth is 10 minutes so they aren't designed to live long. operators can configure longer TTL but I'm not sure they'd expect you to solve for that
20:20:44 imacdonn sean-k-mooney: I guess the possible case where it could break automation is if the command is being rerun infinitely until it gets a zero, which would never happen if it's returning 2 every time
20:20:47 sean-k-mooney imacdonn: if i was writingin this in ansiable and i called it without --max-count i would have interpereted a non 0 result as an error just fyi
20:21:14 imacdonn sean-k-mooney: right, and we're not going to change that
20:21:45 imacdonn sean-k-mooney: without --max-count, you'll either get 0 (it worked), or 2 (something unexpectedly broke, and you need to figure out why)
20:22:42 sean-k-mooney imacdonn: if you gurarentee that in the code that is fine
20:23:15 imacdonn sean-k-mooney: I believe I can .. I'll post it this afternoon, and we can nit-pick :)
20:24:22 sean-k-mooney ill be offline by then but enjoy your lunch and ill take a look at it tomorow
20:24:33 imacdonn k, thanks!
20:34:46 sean-k-mooney have people see a 404 failing to retriva allocationf form resource provierded before
20:34:48 sean-k-mooney http://logs.openstack.org/84/602384/4/check/kuryr-kubernetes-tempest-daemon-octavia/33adb32/controller/logs/screen-n-cpu.txt.gz?#_Oct_10_19_02_09_953771
20:36:36 openstackgerrit Jack Ding proposed openstack/nova-specs master: High Precision Event Timer (HPET) on x86 guests https://review.openstack.org/607989
20:36:49 openstackgerrit Jack Ding proposed openstack/nova-specs master: High Precision Event Timer (HPET) on x86 guests https://review.openstack.org/607989
20:56:04 mriedem melwitt: ok +2
20:57:47 melwitt thanks
21:10:12 mriedem sean-k-mooney: yes it's a known bug
21:10:41 mriedem https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1789998
21:10:41 openstack Launchpad bug 1789998 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ResourceProviderAllocationRetrievalFailed ERROR log message on fresh n-cpu startup" [Low,Triaged]
21:10:50 mriedem happens on every start of a new compute
21:14:14 openstackgerrit Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Don't log an error if attachment_create fails https://review.openstack.org/609547
21:23:03 sorrison mriedem: Missing some context RE: "maybe that's just never been a problem b/c of quota restrictions, the multi-create thing i mean"
21:23:30 mriedem meaning maybe no one has ever felt the need to restrict certain groups of users from being able to make multi-create requests
21:24:00 mriedem because multi-create can be abused, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607735/
21:24:41 mriedem sorrison: maybe a better question is, what is the highest any of your tenants have for instance quota?
21:26:46 sorrison mriedem: 2048 is the highest just looking in our DB
21:26:52 mriedem jesus
21:27:03 mriedem have you ever tried to create 2048 servers in a single create request?
21:27:14 sorrison haha don't be silly :-)
21:27:17 mriedem because the API will let you do that
21:27:34 mriedem there is no rate limiting on multi-create requests
21:27:46 mriedem and that size of request will melt your scheduler
21:28:03 mriedem related: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510235/
21:28:08 sorrison is the multi create number set in the request spec? I can have a look in the db to see what our stats are like
21:28:38 mriedem yes, it's the request spec "num_instances" field
21:35:39 openstackgerrit Merged openstack/os-vif master: clean up ip_command interface https://review.openstack.org/609414
21:36:32 sorrison mriedem: very tricky to get that info out of mysql due to json blob. We're not running a version of mysql that has json support sadly
21:36:51 mriedem damn
21:40:38 melwitt I never knew request spec was a json blob until now O.o
21:40:58 openstackgerrit Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Don't log error in _remove_deleted_instances_allocations if compute is new https://review.openstack.org/609552

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