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#openstack-nova - 2018-07-11
15:00:21 mriedem yeah - i want to kill all of these "if not request_spec: populate from garbage" in the code
15:00:34 dansmith hah yeah
15:00:42 mriedem we can't do a blocker db migration in db sync
15:00:54 mriedem well, shouldn't
15:00:55 mriedem ?
15:01:08 mriedem but nova-status could do the job, i mean this migration has been around since newton
15:01:13 dansmith I think people have also expressed displeasure with the blocker migrations, so any time we're not enforcing some really structural thing (like a column being non-null or something) a nova-status would be better
15:01:15 mriedem so nova-status in rocky and drop in stein
15:01:34 mriedem drop compat in stein i mean
15:01:47 dansmith aye
15:02:23 openstackgerrit Chris Dent proposed openstack/nova master: Add placement.concurrent_udpate to generation pre-checks https://review.openstack.org/581771
15:20:20 tssurya mriedem: I was trying to understand the marker logic you have in _heal_instances_in_cell (want to do something similar for the migration tool for updating queued_for_delete), wanted to confirm something: every time the command is run it will loop through all the instances which might have been processed before as well right ? like there is no way to check and skip the ones we have already covered. All we can ensure is each time it does m
15:21:50 openstackgerrit Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Fix nits in the handling down cell spec https://review.openstack.org/581243
15:22:34 mriedem tssurya: heal_allocations doesn't use a global marker like map_instances
15:22:46 mriedem so yes today it will hit all instances,
15:22:50 tssurya mriedem: hmm yea
15:23:07 mriedem it's only using a per-cell marker while iterating instances in the cell when we have a limit specified (default of 50)
15:23:09 tssurya because I have two online migration tools which are like this needing a marker logic
15:23:24 mriedem migrate_instances_add_request_spec uses a global marker
15:24:10 mriedem so i'd follow that pattern
15:25:19 mriedem map_instances is slightly different
15:25:33 mriedem it uses a sentinel project_id and munges the last real instance mapping uuid
15:26:00 tssurya yea that I am aware , but I don't want to insert a new row and all
15:26:35 mriedem you're going to have to either way
15:27:07 mriedem otherwise how would you find the marker record between runs of the command?
15:27:39 tssurya ah just looked at migrate_instances_add_request_spec; it is using the same logic
15:27:43 tssurya with a FAKE_UUID
15:27:53 mriedem yes
15:28:00 tssurya what if more than 1 tool has this FAKE_UUID ?
15:28:17 mriedem i don't care about out of tree tools
15:28:47 mriedem the alternative is you do like map_instances and use a fake project_id and munge the uuid from an existing mapping
15:29:04 mriedem but some people hate that too
15:29:08 mriedem since it's not a real uuid
15:29:42 tssurya uh-huh yea, well I guess it might be better than starting a series of FAKE_UUIDs
15:30:26 mriedem the sentinel uuid is always the same 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
15:30:47 mriedem we don't have anything else in nova, as far as i know, that inserts instance mappings with that uuid
15:31:30 tssurya oh okay
15:31:35 mriedem between migrate_instances_add_request_spec and map_instances i'd just personally follow what was done in migrate_instances_add_request_spec
15:31:47 mriedem it's nearly the same thing you need
15:32:09 mriedem minus creating a request spec and all that - so your thing will be much lighter
15:32:48 mriedem one thing about migrate_instances_add_request_spec is that it's not multi-cell aware
15:33:06 mriedem but i think we said in vancouver that running db sync and online data migrations per cell is not a big deal
15:33:19 tssurya mriedem: I was just getting to that actually
15:33:33 tssurya thinking if my marker should be in instance_mappings or instances
15:34:00 mriedem L39 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-cellsv2-migration-sync-with-operators
15:34:17 tssurya as I will be fetching deleted (or soft_deleted) instances and then updating only those instance_mappings to true
15:34:36 mriedem migrate_instances_add_request_spec puts the marker in the request_specs table
15:34:41 mriedem so again, i'd just follow that pattern :)
15:34:53 mriedem since i will assume people thought about all of this when migrate_instances_add_request_spec was written
15:35:27 tssurya mriedem: okay then! I will go for the same consistency and follow the migrate_instances_add_request_spec stuff
15:37:32 tssurya dansmith: are we having cells meeting today ? (I don't have anything new we haven't discussed and have the needed feedback for the spec to work on)
15:38:03 dansmith tssurya: I don't have anything either, mriedem, melwitt ?
15:43:13 sapd1 Hi everyone, How can I remove an object from BlockDeviceMappingList object.
15:45:31 mriedem dansmith: nothing pressing, just starting reviews on tssurya's changes and need reviews on this bug fix which is related to cells v2 (build requests and quota counting): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1780373+(status:open+OR+status:merged)
15:46:09 dansmith ack\
15:46:38 mriedem sapd1: can you provide more context?
15:47:05 openstackgerrit do3meli proposed openstack/nova master: docs: add nova host-evacuate command to evacuate documentation https://review.openstack.org/578040
15:48:21 sapd1 mriedem: I would like to customize bdms list. In this function: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L2752
15:50:41 mriedem sapd1: because you're trying to rebuild a volume-backed instance?
15:51:23 mriedem sapd1: if so, you should read this spec first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532407/
15:52:47 sapd1 mriedem: I'm trying, I don't find any change which can work, So I'm trying to make it run.
15:54:15 mriedem well read the spec and discussion in there
15:54:28 mriedem or if you're going to fork it anyway, you could look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528740/ but i wouldn't use that method
15:55:26 mriedem there are in fact several attempts at this in https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1378689
15:55:27 openstack Launchpad bug 1378689 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "error when rebuilding a instance booted from volume" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Jie Li (ramboman)
16:02:32 sapd1 mriedem: This feature is sound like have too many bugs :D
16:04:16 mriedem well, that's what happens when we add features without thinking about implications to existing APIs
16:04:43 mriedem i'd like to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532407/ get agreement on a direction in stein so we can finally fix this
16:05:36 sapd1 mriedem: Yep, Because attach/detach flow in cinder has changed. So the rebuild process will be failed.
16:05:54 mriedem i'm not sure i follow
16:06:10 mriedem are you talking about the volume attachments API in cinder?
16:06:35 sapd1 mriedem: Could you tell me how to remove an item in BlockDeviceMappingList in the function?
16:06:53 mriedem that doesn't really have anything to do with the fact nova has never supported rebuilding a volume-backed server with a new image
16:07:17 sapd1 mriedem: Yep. Because multi-attach was introduced. So attach/detach flow have to change.
16:07:35 mriedem sapd1: those are backward compatible changes and nova opts into using those apis
16:07:41 mriedem so it doesn't really mean anything for what you're trying to do
16:08:07 sapd1 I want to remove old root disk block device mapping in that list.
16:08:20 mriedem we added a change to the api in queens such that you literally cannot rebuild a volume-backed server with a new image
16:08:23 mriedem the user gets an error
16:09:33 mriedem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520660/
16:10:58 sapd1 Use this patch I can bypass https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528740/8/nova/compute/api.py
16:10:58 sapd1 :D
16:11:30 mriedem if you want to fork a hack into your product that's up to you
16:11:36 mriedem but i'm not going to spend time helping you do it, sorry
16:11:54 mriedem i'm only interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532407/
16:12:34 sapd1 mriedem: So Has anyone implemented this spec yet?
16:13:08 mriedem sapd1: no, see my -1 on the spec
16:13:14 mriedem need to agree on the design first
16:13:24 mriedem which is why the 20 other hack fixes for this problem have been rejected in the past
16:14:44 sapd1 mriedem: I'm trying :D thanks
16:15:10 mriedem my comment from march 27 is where i think it stalled
16:15:12 mriedem "The cleanest / best solution to this is to add a volume action API to cinder for re-imaging the volume. Once that is available in a new cinder v3 microversion, nova can use it. The reason I think this should be done in Cinder with re-imaging the volume there is (1) it's cleaner from the nova side and (2) then Cinder is in control of how that re-image should happen, along with any details it needs to update, e.g. the volume's
16:15:12 mriedem lume_image_metadata" information would need to be updated.We really don't want to do the volume create/delete/swap orchestration thing since that entails issues with the volume type being gone, going over quota, what to do about deleting the old volume, etc.So please propose a spec to Cinder and start working the API changes there and then nova can depend on a new Cinder API."
16:15:59 mriedem i think of this like shelve offloading and unshelving a volume-backed server but with a new image
16:16:10 mriedem and i'd like cinder to control the api for re-imaging the volume
16:16:19 mriedem because cinder owns the volume
16:17:09 mriedem maybe i need to work with tommylikehu on this in stein
16:18:50 mriedem melwitt: it might not be too early to start a stein ptg etherpad for random items
16:24:06 sapd1 mriedem: Yep. I think It can work. with this patch.
16:24:12 sapd1 mriedem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V3MhY7Hp3X/

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