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#openstack-nova - 2018-04-24
16:45:02 jaypipes dansmith: in the case of DHCP, the VIF needs to be fully set up and then the DHCP request made to the gateway, though, right? only after that will the port get an IP adderess.
16:45:28 dansmith jaypipes: you don't have to hit the dhcp server with a client to get an address
16:46:01 jaypipes dansmith: sorry, I wasn't aware that was possible.
16:46:08 dansmith melwitt: I'm not positive at which exact step neutron will assign an address I guess (plug vs. bind),
16:46:33 dansmith but I'm nearly positive it happens before the client is really set up,
16:46:47 dansmith otherwise you wouldn't be able to see what ip your instance is going to have until it has come up enough to have hit the dhcp server
16:46:47 melwitt dansmith: plug is just a local thing (os-vif in the case of libvirt) so it must be the bind, I think
16:46:50 dansmith which wouldn't make any sense
16:47:07 melwitt sean-k-mooney we need you!
16:47:10 melwitt :)
16:47:27 jroll I feel like IP allocation is done at port create time, but I would need to verify
16:47:35 TheJulia I'm 95% sure it is
16:47:38 dansmith jroll: exactly
16:47:43 melwitt that's what I said earlier
16:47:54 jroll dansmith: with or without a host binding, to be clear
16:47:57 melwitt so I was thinking, why not just ask neutron for the IP instead of doing plug_vifs
16:48:05 melwitt *plug_vifs early
16:48:15 dansmith jroll: I think it depends on how the network is setup whether you get it early or late, IIRC, but I dunno
16:48:25 jaypipes dansmith: by "port creation time" are you referring to when neutron port-create is done? because I'm pretty sure that *isn't* when IP allocation is done.
16:48:33 jroll could be, neutron is just a framework after all :)
16:48:49 dansmith I think it can happen at port-create time, and I think it can happen at host bind time
16:48:56 dansmith but I don't think it happens at vif_plug time
16:48:57 melwitt yes it's configurable https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/network/v2/#ip-allocation-extension
16:49:27 dansmith think about when you're booting an instance and when you get to see the IP via the api in the scheme of it booting
16:49:29 dansmith usually you see it before it has even finished downloaded the image to the compute node right?
16:49:40 melwitt right, that's what I thought
16:49:58 melwitt but I thought is that only for static IPs and not DHCP?
16:50:04 melwitt I had thought it didn't matter
16:50:15 dansmith dhcp is just how you communicate the ip to the guest,
16:50:26 dansmith I don't think it changes how/when the port would get assigned an ip
16:50:51 jroll melwitt: so, ironic does a very late host binding of the port, because at that time it's put onto the tenant network (which we don't want during deployment). our plug_vifs call is the api endpoint for the code that does the host binding in ironic: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L1620
16:51:35 melwitt yeah, good point. we use DHCP in the gate and yeah, pretty sure the IP is known once the neutron port is created. but we do know that's configurable, not necessarily true that the IP will be known at port create time depending on how the network is setup in neutron, seems like
16:52:08 jroll (and so during BFV deployment, prepare_networks_before_block_device_mapping is a fine time to put it on the tenant network, since we skip the deployment ramdisk)
16:52:18 melwitt jroll: yeah, figured it must be because plug_vifs was needed to get the IP
16:53:04 jroll melwitt: I assume it's just to hook up the networks, but not sure, I don't know this code well
16:53:09 artom Which one between flavor extra specs and image properties is arbitrary again?
16:53:17 dansmith artom: the former
16:53:30 dansmith melwitt: maybe mlavalle is around and could answer some questions
16:53:57 artom dansmith, so operators can add a "foo" extra spec, and enable a filter (which one?) that would schedule all those foos to a certain aggregate?
16:53:57 jroll ah yes, the IP comes from the BDM info: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L399
16:54:12 jroll the plug_vifs call is just to get networking up
16:54:19 melwitt jroll: yeah, so back when we started talking about this today I was saying can we decouple the vif plugging from the IP get query and leave the vif plugging for after the node reserve like it used to be. not sure if the host bind should be behind reserve too though
16:54:54 dansmith artom: I have to go look for the linkage every time I'm asked.. I think there is an AggregateExtraSpecs filter or something that you use
16:54:57 jroll melwitt: the vif plugging is the host bind for us, but yeah, good question
16:55:16 artom dansmith, aha, thanks, I'll dig in the code then
16:55:19 melwitt jroll: this is the change that moved vif plug out from the node reserve in order to get an IP for the volume connector https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468353/19/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py
16:55:20 dansmith see I think in the late case, the host binding step is when you get your allocation
16:55:24 jroll melwitt: it feels like we could
16:56:06 melwitt dansmith: yeah. so would it be safe to do that outside of node reserve? jroll?
16:56:26 jroll dansmith: melwitt: oh, right, that docstring tells us exactly that
16:56:26 melwitt besides that, wouldn't that require a change to ironic API too?
16:56:54 dansmith melwitt: you can do host binding before spawn, that should be fine, you just can't do the plug before it
16:57:15 melwitt k
16:57:31 jroll melwitt: so, the problem we're seeing is when scheduling races with two instances to a node, they both try to do the plug because we haven't set that reservation. so I'm thinking if we do that reservation first thing, then we never hit this again
16:58:02 melwitt so it sounds like we have two options: decouple the host binding and do that in prepare_networks_before_block_device_mapping, get the IP for the volume attach, then reserve, then plug vifs etc
16:58:17 melwitt or, add a way to do the reserve first thing
16:58:17 dansmith jroll: why are two things racing to the same node?
16:58:24 dansmith jroll: scheduler should have prevented that already
16:58:37 melwitt dansmith: the reserve isn't done until spawn
16:58:44 dansmith melwitt: doesn't matter
16:58:47 jroll dansmith: not a clue
16:58:51 melwitt hm
16:58:55 TheJulia and there can be multiple consumers of ironic's api
16:59:01 dansmith melwitt: we have committed the allocation in scheduler, which means the node isn't a candidate for any other scheduler runs
16:59:13 TheJulia so we can't rely upon nova's scheduler to be the source of truth on locking
16:59:18 dansmith TheJulia: is that it? nova is racing with something else?
16:59:37 melwitt but is that what's happening in the environment you're seeing the problem? multiple consumers of ironic API?
16:59:44 TheJulia dansmith: nova can race with something else, nova can also race if resource classes are not used, which is how we first noticed the issue actually
16:59:47 jroll oh my
17:00:15 dansmith well, "if resource classes are not used" should not be a thing
17:00:24 TheJulia agreed, totally agreed
17:00:27 dansmith but if it's the former, then that's fine
17:00:39 jroll dansmith: I wasn't aware the allocation in scheduler landed, my bad
17:01:10 dansmith jroll: yeah, so nova racing with something else is a thing, I guess, but makes it less concerning to me
17:02:06 melwitt yeah, I mean really I feel like we could just change this to something more generic, "pre-spawn-prep" kind of method and use that to do a node reserve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468353/19/nova/virt/driver.py
17:02:20 TheJulia jroll: there are some discussions in the hpc/htc world of central ironic, multiple consumers
17:02:27 jroll dansmith: but anyway, I thought there was still an opportunity for a scheduler race, glad to here that's gone
17:02:31 dansmith melwitt: gotta make sure you have a post-spawn-failure method to unreserve too
17:02:38 TheJulia like, ironic ends up being a central broker of baremetal across datacenters *blink* *blink*
17:02:41 dansmith jroll: not if you're doing the resource class thang
17:03:20 jroll TheJulia: I'm aware people do crazy things with ironic, like using it to manage VMs, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying I'm not sure we should support nova being used with ironic without owning it :)
17:03:20 melwitt dansmith: ah, yeah
17:03:42 jroll dansmith: sweet.
17:03:59 TheJulia dansmith: I think we already rip the instance_uuid in the cleanup
17:04:04 TheJulia rip it off the node that is
17:04:18 TheJulia so we should be covered if there is a failure
17:04:18 dansmith TheJulia: not if we fail before we called spawn I imagine
17:04:18 openstackgerrit Ed Leafe proposed openstack/nova master: Address issues raised in adding member_of to GET /a-c https://review.openstack.org/554357
17:04:33 jroll dansmith: ++
17:04:44 dansmith TheJulia: I'm saying if we do a pre-spawn method that could have allocated resources, and then we fail to talk to glance or neutron, we have to make sure we let the virt driver know we were joking
17:04:46 TheJulia dansmith: that is a good point... I thought it still got called but maybe not
17:04:53 TheJulia oh jeeze, that is another way we could be orphaning vifs
17:06:22 jroll yeah, it does not, only if we fail spawn(). whomp whomp
17:06:43 TheJulia :(
17:06:43 jroll TheJulia: this ensures we don't orphan vifs: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L2198
17:07:22 melwitt TheJulia, jroll: so what would y'all rather do? pre-spawn and have to deal with failure cleanup cases or do something to allow the host binding to be done separately from plug_vifs? or another solution I'm not thinking of?
17:07:50 TheJulia jroll: if InstanceDeployFailure is added to https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L2192 then that would prevent the case I'm seeing in a couple different cases
17:08:33 jroll melwitt: I don't think we can split the host-binding from the plug_vifs, really. I think either way we have to do a pre-spawn, this started with talking about a new method vs hacking it into plug_vifs :)
17:09:03 TheJulia what jroll said :)
17:09:03 melwitt okay

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