| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2017-05-05 | |||
| 19:13:53 | dansmith | sdague: that's not unhelpful | |
| 19:15:13 | sdague | mriedem: you have a url pattern you've been using for etherpads for the forum? | |
| 19:15:23 | mriedem | sdague: yeah | |
| 19:15:37 | mriedem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | |
| 19:15:38 | sdague | dansmith: ok... well, is that enough of a bit of backing material to feel comfortable that we've got notes? | |
| 19:15:42 | mriedem | BOS-forum-... | |
| 19:15:51 | mriedem | BOS-forum-nova-project-onboarding | |
| 19:15:54 | dansmith | sdague: that's probably way too much detail to talk through, but if you cut it down to your notes, and then remove/rename some, that'd be a good skeleton | |
| 19:15:58 | mriedem | sdague: in fact https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-nova-project-onboarding | |
| 19:16:24 | dansmith | sdague: if we don't have something to draw on, we could project that and handwave through it | |
| 19:16:27 | mriedem | sdague: maybe you just want to push all of that crap down to the way bottom and do your things at the top | |
| 19:16:28 | sdague | dansmith: yeh, I don't think we'd actually write that up there, it's just backing material | |
| 19:16:55 | dansmith | yeah | |
| 19:17:10 | sdague | mriedem: did you discover if we have flipboard? | |
| 19:17:57 | mriedem | i didn't get a definitive answer no | |
| 19:18:14 | sdague | you all and your friday double negatives | |
| 19:18:33 | mriedem | i didn't not get no answer | |
| 19:18:33 | dansmith | I don't not know what you mean | |
| 19:19:15 | mriedem | i believe i was told i'd get a $20 and could deal with it myself - as a joke, but maybe not totally | |
| 19:19:32 | mriedem | i'm calling the foundations' HR dept as we speak | |
| 19:19:38 | sdague | .... deep breaths.... | |
| 19:19:49 | mriedem | was just told the request was made so they should be there | |
| 19:20:00 | dansmith | I will feel less bad about squandering the time if not provided with any tools to conduct something useful | |
| 19:21:38 | sdague | mriedem: ok, my inclination is to move that existing etherpad to -ideas, make official one include a Questions section at the bottom. Encourage people to enter there questions while we are talking, and we can use that as fodder as we go. | |
| 19:22:00 | sdague | but I don't want to stomp toes here | |
| 19:22:44 | mriedem | as far as i'm concerned you're running this onboarding show | |
| 19:22:46 | mriedem | so go nuts | |
| 19:22:50 | mriedem | like i said, i don't get there until noon | |
| 19:23:23 | mriedem | looking at your flow page, we shouldn't be creating a port twice, | |
| 19:23:39 | mriedem | but we do POST a port and then PUT (update it with the host binding) later | |
| 19:24:14 | dansmith | sdague: is that rst? | |
| 19:24:24 | sdague | dansmith: I have rst | |
| 19:24:42 | dansmith | can I have rst? | |
| 19:24:43 | sdague | https://dague.net//testing/flow.rst | |
| 19:24:57 | sdague | I can also stick this in a throw away git repo if you want | |
| 19:24:59 | mriedem | sdague: i only see "POST /v2.0/ports.json" once | |
| 19:25:10 | sdague | mriedem: yeh, my bad, I glossed over | |
| 19:25:10 | dansmith | thanks, I'll try to trim it | |
| 19:25:21 | openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: nova.utils.get_service_url() https://review.openstack.org/458257 | |
| 19:25:28 | sdague | dansmith: how about I do an import into a git repo | |
| 19:25:50 | dansmith | sdague: that seems entirely overkill to me, but as you wish | |
| 19:25:52 | mriedem | i'm not sure what this is: May 05 14:12:54 os4 neutron-server[24158]: DEBUG neutron.api.v2.base [req-8b4ccea7-1462-43cc-9a21-f0013b797999 demo demo] Request body: {u'port': {u'network_id': u'8356212e | |
| 19:26:58 | mriedem | "neutron-server starts building that network:" isn't actually building a network | |
| 19:27:03 | mriedem | it's finding the available network for the project | |
| 19:27:06 | mriedem | on which to create the port | |
| 19:27:21 | mriedem | we'd only create a network if we use the auto-allocated-topology (get me a network) stuff | |
| 19:27:35 | dansmith | sounds like mriedem wants to trim it | |
| 19:27:43 | mriedem | i don't, | |
| 19:27:45 | mriedem | i just want to nit pick it | |
| 19:28:10 | mriedem | i'll go back to reading the thread about stable branch LTS and n-5 upgrade support | |
| 19:28:25 | sdague | dansmith: what's your github id again? | |
| 19:28:29 | dansmith | kk7ds | |
| 19:28:52 | sdague | https://github.com/sdague/nova-boot-flow | |
| 19:28:55 | sdague | you have commit | |
| 19:29:03 | sdague | mriedem: if you want so as well | |
| 19:29:40 | sdague | dansmith: I was trying to keep all the logs around, just build the summaries when appropriate, so if you go to trim, how about just getting rid of some summaries | |
| 19:33:10 | dansmith | sdague: yeah, I meant trim the summaries, not the log lines | |
| 19:33:12 | dansmith | trim and edit the summaries I mean | |
| 19:35:50 | sdague | dansmith: have at, you should have full write on that repo | |
| 19:36:43 | dansmith | sdague: okay, I'm still scrambling with other stuff but I'll try | |
| 19:36:48 | dansmith | I guess that would be easy to do on the plane | |
| 19:36:56 | sdague | dansmith: yep, being git and all | |
| 19:41:01 | cdent | mriedem: maybe you should throw some downgrade support hand grenades into that thread | |
| 19:44:51 | mriedem | jesus | |
| 19:44:58 | mriedem | the features vs stability thing drives me nuts | |
| 19:45:13 | mriedem | no one mentioned how we talked about non-feature bug fix only releases once | |
| 19:45:43 | mriedem | 'openstack doesn't / can't scale', ok we'll work on that, 'but you're working on it makes the transition hard and complex and that pisses me off' | |
| 19:46:18 | mriedem | it's just easier to not say anything at all in these threads because they pop up every 3-6 months and die on the vine anyway | |
| 19:46:53 | mriedem | i did see cells v2 and placement get run through the mud a few times though, that's fun | |
| 19:51:17 | mriedem | i guess on one replied to the request for input on the onboarding session in the ML | |
| 19:51:17 | sdague | yeh, my entire point on that thread at this point is going to be "show me a gratuitous feature" | |
| 19:51:18 | mriedem | oh well | |
| 19:51:34 | mriedem | sdague: cells v2 and placement were called out as causing pain with no benefit | |
| 19:51:47 | sdague | I guess I missed where placement was called out on that | |
| 19:51:48 | mriedem | not directly replying ot you | |
| 19:51:59 | sdague | I did just rejump in on the cellsv2 one | |
| 19:52:45 | sdague | so, I will agree that there were some more bumps than would have been nice there, but compared to cells v1, which people kept deploying and getting unfixable behavior... it was a much better path | |
| 19:54:40 | mriedem | cdent: an anecdote really http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116440.html | |
| 19:54:49 | mriedem | "nova placement API caused a bit of a headache for deployment tools..." | |
| 19:55:00 | cdent | mriedem: I think you mean sdague ? | |
| 19:55:07 | mriedem | oh yeah | |
| 19:55:07 | mriedem | sorry | |
| 19:55:11 | cdent | s'alright | |
| 19:55:51 | cdent | "but consider that "leadership" is always limiting for innovation." | |
| 19:57:56 | cdent | I'm hopeful that the "everyone deploy with wsgi" will finally get people understanding that deploying with wsgi means "you can do whatever you want, easily, but you have to choose" instead of "that's different" | |
| 19:58:23 | sdague | mriedem: ok, that's a pretty soft hit honestly | |
| 19:58:41 | mriedem | sdague: yeah i said it was an anecdote on re-read | |
| 19:58:42 | sdague | and, I would agree with it, the docs lagged | |
| 19:58:51 | mriedem | which docs/ | |
| 19:58:51 | mriedem | ? | |
| 19:58:58 | mriedem | we had pretty solid in-tree docs by rc1 | |
| 19:59:04 | mriedem | the install guide was late | |
| 19:59:08 | mriedem | for both placement and cells v2 | |
| 19:59:09 | sdague | the install guide | |
| 19:59:24 | sdague | because that's the bit that people on the deploy side do need | |
| 19:59:42 | sdague | and, I think that's fine critique of "yep, we need to do that better next time" | |
| 19:59:44 | mriedem | sure, but when is the last time someone from nova was writing the install guide? | |
| 20:00:06 | sdague | mriedem: yep, sure, a bunch of things changed since the last major service changes like this showed up | |
| 20:00:22 | mriedem | isn't this like the thing in newton when matt kasawara wanted the install guide in nova so we'd own it, and we said no | |
| 20:00:44 | sdague | mriedem: no, I think this was some collective falling through the cracks | |