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#openstack-nova - 2017-03-06
17:44:54 dansmith is it just me or is the flood of garbage before a test run getting worse lately?
17:57:17 openstackgerrit Gábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox in unit/cells/test_cells_manager.py https://review.openstack.org/399036
17:59:10 mriedem dansmith: i think you need a new blog post that explains soft delete
17:59:36 mriedem and all of the different meanings that term has :)
18:01:05 dansmith mriedem: hah
18:17:26 johnthetubaguy dansmith: melwitt: I think the ops folks were wanting some help with this session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-cellsv2
18:17:37 johnthetubaguy I haven't managed to track down why its happening
18:18:01 mriedem what is that for?
18:18:06 dansmith is that for some meetup/
18:18:13 johnthetubaguy thats the ops thing in milan, next week I think
18:18:23 johnthetubaguy https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup
18:18:28 johnthetubaguy has the extra info
18:19:04 dansmith okay but what sort of help?
18:19:12 mriedem is someone moderating that session?
18:19:14 mriedem on cells v2?
18:19:25 mriedem 3/16 at 9:40am
18:19:47 dansmith italy time?
18:19:52 mriedem i reckon
18:20:13 johnthetubaguy mrhillsman will know whats going on with that
18:20:28 johnthetubaguy yeah, italy (and France) time
18:20:52 mriedem i'll ask in operators
18:20:58 johnthetubaguy I offered to try and remote in somehow, should there be no other option for Nova representation
18:21:32 johnthetubaguy mriedem: there is a live-migration one as well
18:21:49 johnthetubaguy one of the OSIC folks testing it was going to moderate that one
18:22:06 mriedem no one has reached out for help from the nova team on this, at least not me
18:22:15 mriedem so i don't know what level of coordination is expected for the ops meetup
18:22:21 mriedem or if it's ops people self-moderating
18:22:35 mriedem but i thought the forum was where the nova team talks about the new fancy stuff to the ops people
18:22:57 mriedem i assume a live migration session at the ops meetup is about info sharing
18:23:00 mriedem best practices, etc
18:23:14 johnthetubaguy mriedem: yeah, I thought that too
18:23:26 mriedem and i doubt anyone there will be new enough to have cells v2
18:23:47 johnthetubaguy we have previously had Nova folks at most of the ops summits, but a little bit by chance, I did the manchester one, for example
18:24:01 mriedem and sdague was in NY
18:24:06 johnthetubaguy mriedem: yeah I assumed that too, not sure why
18:24:08 mriedem and melwitt i think
18:24:20 mriedem well this is kind of last minute
18:24:25 johnthetubaguy yeah
18:24:40 mriedem cells v2 is going to be presented at the summit,
18:24:55 mriedem dansmith has a talk for it specifically, and i will be bringing it up in my talk about the new and notable in ocata
18:24:57 johnthetubaguy yeah, I think thats the right way to get that info
18:25:14 johnthetubaguy I duno what they want from the cells v2 session
18:25:21 mriedem i'm ignoring the fact that some operators are probably not going to be going to the summit b/c they traded for the ops meetup or PTG
18:25:42 johnthetubaguy the videos help some
18:26:46 mriedem sure, i just read an article from the register last night that linked to alaski's talk on cells v2 in austin
18:28:29 mriedem https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/01/under_octata_deep_dive/
18:28:31 mriedem oh octata
18:28:39 mriedem the release that was
18:29:07 mriedem also, side note, but i'm a bit worried about the amount of unicorn promises made in ^ about what you can do with placement in octata
18:29:13 mriedem jaypipes: you might find ^ interesting
18:29:46 mriedem they jumped the gun on qualitative traits-based scheduling by at least a release
18:30:02 cdent youch
18:30:47 cdent let's play startup: any press is better than no press
18:31:00 mriedem plus it's press for alaski
18:31:11 mriedem i also noticed "The Cola lifecycle management environment"
18:31:15 mriedem i wonder if that was meant to be kolla
18:31:39 jaypipes mriedem: that's what happens when you interview non-ATCs about technical stuff.
18:31:55 cdent "lifecycle management environment"
18:31:57 cdent that's a lovely phrase
18:32:17 mriedem you don't have to pick between slicing or dicing anymore
18:32:24 cdent \o/
18:32:50 alaski oh man. I don't want people watching me speak
18:33:28 cdent hope you had a clean shirt
18:33:49 mriedem he looked great
18:34:36 cdent of course he did
18:37:55 dims_ go alaski !
18:41:29 openstackgerrit Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: compute: Detach volumes on _rebuild_default_impl failure https://review.openstack.org/442105
18:42:12 mriedem jgriffith: you should take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304715/13/specs/pike/approved/scaleio-ephemeral-storage-backend.rst@73
18:42:27 openstackgerrit Gábor Antal proposed openstack/nova master: Remove mox in unit/cells/test_cells_manager.py https://review.openstack.org/399036
18:42:29 jgriffith mriedem looking
18:42:34 mriedem jgriffith: that's saying it's going to take 2-3 releases to add a cinder imagebackend to nova
18:42:34 jgriffith oh dear
18:42:43 mriedem and because of that, we shouldn't wait on adding the scaleio imagebackend
18:42:56 sdague johnthetubaguy: we've tried to get geographic coverage
18:43:27 mriedem jgriffith: also fyi we've had 2 blueprints for the cinder ephemeral backend in the past https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-ephemeral-cinder https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nova-ephemeral-storage-with-cinder
18:43:47 sdague however, it is the danger of doing an ops summit kind of far away from where dev teams are, we're just not going to get that coverage
18:44:10 jgriffith mriedem so what you're saying is I need to get my *&^% together and get a spec with some comittemnts to timelines :)
18:44:51 mriedem jgriffith: well, the assertions made in the scaleio spec are kind of scary and i assume you would disagree with at least part of them
18:45:15 mriedem jgriffith: so just bringing that to your attention, but yeah at some point sooner than later we'll want to start looking at a spec
18:45:17 jgriffith mriedem yeah, I'm going through it now
18:45:23 jgriffith mriedem thanks for raising it
18:45:26 mriedem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91321/ was also an old spec,
18:45:30 mriedem but apparently lacking a lot of details
18:45:50 jgriffith mriedem best kind of spec is the spec with no details
18:45:51 jgriffith then you can't be held accountable :)
18:45:51 mriedem probably not even worth getting distracted by it
18:50:10 mriedem that reminds me, i need to hedge in my searchlight spec about the fact you won't be able to list deleted instances if nova is using searchlight
18:50:17 mriedem dansmith: ^ did you read my email on that?
18:50:43 mriedem i probably need that in the cells meeting agenda
18:51:11 edmondsw mriedem, tx for the ping. It's a good question. I will talk to some folks here to figure out how important log translations are. My current understanding is that yes, we need those
18:51:45 mriedem edmondsw: you'll have to pony up some translators probably :)
18:52:02 edmondsw mriedem I've actually been trying to make that case...
19:21:35 openstackgerrit Logan V proposed openstack/nova master: Add LVM thin pool support https://review.openstack.org/442126
19:32:25 mriedem cfriesen: is that from your team? ^
19:33:30 dansmith mriedem: I didn't, but I saw it and thought "I should read that"
19:33:48 mriedem dansmith: ok, i'm just about to push the updated spec mentioning the issue, along with some other issues
19:33:52 dansmith cool
19:37:20 openstackgerrit Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: List instances using Searchlight (spec) https://review.openstack.org/441692
19:37:28 mriedem cdent: gibi: ^ comments addressed, thanks for the review on that
19:40:27 logan- mriedem: (re: 442126) not from cfriesen's team, just me. hopefully I didn't miss any steps in the docs before pushing that. first patch in nova.

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