| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2017-02-27 | |||
| 23:38:13 | openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Change MQ targeting to honor only what is in the context https://review.openstack.org/438023 | |
| 23:38:13 | openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: Add cell field to Destination object https://review.openstack.org/438024 | |
| 23:38:14 | openstackgerrit | Dan Smith proposed openstack/nova master: WIP: Make conductor ask scheduler to limit migrates to same cell https://review.openstack.org/438025 | |
| 23:40:47 | openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: PowerVM Driver: spawn/destroy #4: full flavor https://review.openstack.org/391288 | |
| 23:53:47 | openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/nova master: Add attachment_uuid to BDM table https://review.openstack.org/438744 | |
| 23:56:42 | mikal | tonyb: mriedem went away so I can't tell him why we reverted that thing | |
| 23:56:45 | mikal | So that went well | |
| 23:57:17 | tonyb | mikal: :( Tell me and he can read the logs | |
| 23:57:47 | mikal | tonyb: the ploop stuff exposes a config drive which uses an ext4 filesystem. This works for the parallels guys because they assume that all their "instances" are linux for obvious reasons. | |
| 23:58:16 | mikal | tonyb: however the ploop support is added in a way that say, libvirt, could use a ploop config drive as well | |
| 23:58:32 | mikal | tonyb: which means every guest OS in the world now needs to support ext4 because of a possible deployer choice | |
| 23:58:39 | mikal | tonyb: which isn't great for something like a windows guest | |
| 23:58:46 | dansmith | yeah, that sucks | |
| 23:58:57 | dansmith | I wish we had that context whilst discussing it | |
| 23:59:13 | mikal | tonyb: we had a long argument at the time about how we'd deliberately picked fat and iso9660 because they were universally supported by our guest OSes | |
| 23:59:23 | mikal | tonyb: and in fact every conceivable OS | |
| 23:59:42 | mikal | tonyb: until we discovered that parallel in fact supports neither of those, as they have no way to mount a block device | |
| 23:59:49 | dansmith | is there some reason they can't just use fat for that as well? | |
| 23:59:50 | dansmith | ah | |
| #openstack-nova - 2017-02-28 | |||
| 00:00:00 | dansmith | now, he made it sound like they _do_ have a block device even in the containery thing | |
| 00:00:07 | mikal | We talked through a user space fat implementation they could use instead | |
| 00:00:20 | mikal | And they shook their fists at us for being big meanies | |
| 00:00:39 | mikal | I have no comment on if the block thing is still true | |
| 00:00:44 | mikal | Simply don't know | |
| 00:01:15 | dansmith | mikal: can you make sure that all gets reflected in the current patches? I'll circle back and admit I didn't have that context while we were discussing it and I was not coming up with any reasons to block it | |
| 00:01:25 | dansmith | (which is why we wanted to re-get your context post-ptg) | |
| 00:01:51 | mikal | Sure. Its not going to happen today though. I'll try and get it done by the end of the week. | |
| 00:02:05 | mikal | I'm currently trying to remember why a directory on the host OS was better than a ext4 filesystem | |
| 00:02:11 | mikal | And its not coming to me instantly | |
| 00:02:41 | dansmith | well, it is the same behavior for lxc and parallels, and doesn't require needing to know what filesystem is there | |
| 00:03:01 | mikal | I do recall someone else wanting directories, it might have been LXC | |
| 00:03:05 | mikal | I'm a bit fuzzy on the details | |
| 00:03:11 | mikal | That said, it didn't merge | |
| 00:03:13 | tonyb | dansmith: I don't see any open reviews, just the old 2015 blueprint | |
| 00:03:18 | mikal | So how does LXC do config drives at the moment? | |
| 00:03:23 | dansmith | tonyb: they had a patch I think | |
| 00:03:26 | dansmith | mikal: it doesn't AFAIK | |
| 00:03:33 | mikal | Oh, ok | |
| 00:04:21 | dansmith | actually, | |
| 00:04:31 | dansmith | tonyb: maybe I'm thinking of the other libvirt image type thing | |
| 00:04:51 | dansmith | I think we're to expect them to have a spec though, IIRC | |
| 00:05:10 | tonyb | dansmith: Yeah could be ... I can't see an configdrive patch and we discussed them at the same time late on Friday soe memory==fuzzy | |
| 00:05:22 | dansmith | yeah | |
| 00:05:48 | dansmith | tonyb: he should be around during your day today I think, so maybe ping him | |
| 00:05:58 | mikal | Was there any discussion of vendordata? I kind of consider it complete at this point, but I don't know if people showed up with pitchforks with further complaints. | |
| 00:06:20 | tonyb | mikal: not near me | |
| 00:06:22 | dansmith | mikal: we declared it a success given the lack of any pitchforks (or other representation) | |
| 00:07:11 | mikal | dansmith: good. I shall pretend it never happened then. | |
| 00:07:34 | dansmith | well you might miss out on eventual praise if you do | |
| 00:07:52 | mikal | dansmith: oh no, I shall tell random people on the street of my exploits | |
| 00:07:58 | dansmith | heh | |
| 00:08:14 | tonyb | dansmith: he'll have a minion pass on the praise in mime | |
| 00:08:17 | mikal | dansmith: and it will go on my application form for Fellow. "I invented the shit out of config drive v2, and the vendordata re-write!" | |
| 00:08:24 | dansmith | heh | |
| 00:08:31 | cburgess | lol | |
| 00:08:31 | mikal | Both fundamental internet technologies | |
| 00:08:58 | mikal | Actually, a tshirt that said "I invented the shit out of config drive v2" would probably be a thing I'd wear | |
| 00:09:48 | dansmith | and most people would not know it's not that impressive, so, sounds like a good idea | |
| 00:10:14 | mikal | I would like to note we intended to have deleted config drive by now | |
| 00:10:20 | mikal | But yet, here we are | |
| 00:10:27 | mikal | Its the gift that keeps on giving | |
| 00:12:07 | tonyb | mikal: we shoudl just fix the metadata service so configdrive isn't needed | |
| 00:12:14 | cburgess | Yeah I don't see how we can ever get rid of it at this poing given we can't do metadata over IPv6 | |
| 00:12:15 | tonyb | mikal: how hard can it be ;P | |
| 00:12:27 | cburgess | and yeah metadata service is... umm... horrible | |
| 00:12:44 | tonyb | cburgess: it's only code from being less horrible | |
| 00:12:54 | mikal | cburgess: that's probably what I'd do next if I had any time | |
| 00:12:58 | openstackgerrit | John Griffith proposed openstack/nova master: Add Cinder V3 Detach calls https://review.openstack.org/438750 | |
| 00:13:02 | mikal | But instead, I write project plans | |
| 00:13:17 | cburgess | tonyb mikal Yeah I wish I had the time to fix metadata as well. Its caused us a lot of scaling problems | |
| 00:13:43 | mikal | cburgess: you just need better users... | |
| 00:13:53 | cburgess | mikal Don't get me started | |
| 00:14:21 | cburgess | Somewhere.. someone on the internet created a chef plugin of some type that spams the hell out of metatata with request from every conciviable cloud format every seconds. | |
| 00:14:32 | cburgess | I have users making 350+ metadata requests a second. | |
| 00:14:35 | cburgess | Its... insane | |
| 00:15:04 | dansmith | cburgess: yeah, it's super good for that | |
| 00:15:10 | dansmith | cburgess: users love hitting it hard | |
| 00:15:33 | mikal | cburgess: you're really going to hate vendordata then | |
| 00:15:46 | mikal | Cause we fan out that request to N other services | |
| 00:16:13 | cburgess | dansmith Is that supposed to be in the sarcasm font? | |
| 00:16:18 | dansmith | cburgess: no | |
| 00:16:24 | dansmith | cburgess: I have 'em too | |
| 00:16:31 | cburgess | mikal I still have to configure that though right? | |
| 00:16:33 | dansmith | cburgess: run puppet every minute and slam the metadata server | |
| 00:16:38 | mikal | cburgess: yes, its opt in | |
| 00:16:50 | mikal | cburgess: but if any of those users want windows active directory registration... | |
| 00:16:52 | cburgess | dansmith Ahh ok yeah, its insane to me, and they seem to not understand how its a problem | |
| 00:16:57 | dansmith | yeah | |
| 00:16:59 | dansmith | but alas | |
| 00:17:02 | cburgess | mikal Hmmm I might need that | |
| 00:17:10 | mikal | cburgess: good news! | |
| 00:17:15 | mikal | cburgess: and by good I mean bad | |
| 00:17:18 | cburgess | dansmith Yeah so... like I said.. if I had the time I would propose a re-write of metadata because its horrible. | |
| 00:17:35 | mikal | I could write a project plan for that | |
| 00:17:39 | mikal | I'm getting quite good at them | |
| 00:17:46 | mikal | Not good at getting things resourced | |
| 00:17:54 | mikal | But I have nice Microsoft Word documents | |
| 00:17:58 | cburgess | LOL | |
| 00:19:51 | openstackgerrit | Li Yingjun proposed openstack/nova master: Error message should not include SQL command https://review.openstack.org/436773 | |
| 03:31:43 | openstackgerrit | Li Yingjun proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Spec for support set vgamem for video https://review.openstack.org/438787 | |