Posted	Nick	Remark
#openstack-nova - 2021-11-26
08:40:50	gibi	lyarwood: OK, I gave +2, I agree with you that we need to force py38+ in the setup.cfg
08:41:12	lyarwood	ack thanks, lets see what bauzas says as PTL before we +W
08:41:25	gibi	sure
08:42:21	gibi	stephenfin: as a fun note there is blue: https://blue.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ it is almost like black :D
08:42:42	lyarwood	flol I love that logo
08:43:01	gibi	I laught a lot the other day when somebody linked it in twitter
08:51:00	gibi	I went and +2d the other yoga testing runtime changes under our jurisdiction
08:56:25	kashyap	TIL; "blue"
08:56:26	kashyap	:D
08:57:22	gibi	somebody should start working on lightblue or even teal
08:59:10	kashyap	:)
09:10:50	gibi	gmann: re: RBAC: I don't have hard opinion. In one hand I see good dicsussion in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/793011 about a specific subset of the RBAC change, but on the other hand I don't think we need such discussion for all the policy during our audit.
09:11:39	gibi	gmann: so I would be OK with a specles BP and a promise that if we find something non trivial during the audit then we might raise a spec for that
09:23:26	bauzas	gibi: gmann: we can quickly discuss this BP for the next nova meeting
09:23:46	bauzas	like we do for the others
09:23:59	bauzas	lyarwood: looking
09:33:44	bauzas	lyarwood: ok, so I'm happy with https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/819194/ but I guess we'll need centos jobs once they run on top of centos9 ?
09:33:51	bauzas	I mean, devstack/centos9
09:34:04	bauzas	if you say so, let's +W it
09:34:09	bauzas	but I'll add a comment
09:37:57	lyarwood	bauzas: ACK yeah it's being worked on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/800903
09:38:11	bauzas	OK, I'll mention it then
09:38:38	lyarwood	this isn't going to land until we drop the current centos 8 job from the integrated compute template btw
09:38:48	lyarwood	so actually hold off on +W
09:39:15	lyarwood	I'll throw something up to drop tempest-integrated-compute-centos-8-stream
09:39:19	bauzas	I see
09:40:20	bauzas	oh, saw the discussion on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/819194/1/setup.cfg#b13
09:40:24	bauzas	I'll chime into in
09:40:26	bauzas	it*
09:43:33	lyarwood	oh crap I thought that was updated in this PS
09:43:43	lyarwood	okay so -1 until that's actually blocked in setup.cfg
09:47:00	bauzas	oh, shit, I just sent it to the gate.
09:47:32	bauzas	lyarwood: I thought we had a consensus
09:47:46	lyarwood	yeah but setup.cfg hadn't changed to reflect it
09:48:31	lyarwood	I missed that earlier
09:48:53	lyarwood	I thought the latest PS had changed, we were discussing stuff on an older PS that confused things
09:50:58	bauzas	lyarwood: I eventually thought we said "OK but meh"
09:51:27	bauzas	lyarwood: what we can is to provide a FUP for modifying setup.cfg, no ?
09:51:36	bauzas	gibi: thoughts ?
09:51:52	lyarwood	bauzas: yeah sure I can do that now
09:52:04	lyarwood	apologies, that was my fault
09:52:04	bauzas	lyarwood: cool, appreciated
09:52:23	bauzas	lyarwood: no no it's me
09:52:34	bauzas	I saw gibi +2ing it
09:53:05	bauzas	and I thought the consensus was to say "nice talk, but let's just accept py36 to be unsupported but still used"
09:53:07	bauzas	hence my comment
09:57:17	opendevreview	Lee Yarwood proposed openstack/nova master: fup: Require python >= 3.8 from Yoga https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/819415
09:57:32	lyarwood	Yeah no issues, there's the fup anyway
09:57:39	lyarwood	we can discuss more there
09:59:38	lyarwood	tbh thinking about it we might want to broadcast something like this on the ML
09:59:47	lyarwood	as it's going to break any centos8 stream jobs people have
10:01:42	bauzas	lyarwood: yeah, you're right
10:13:40	kashyap	Plug in approximate numbers for the first entries; hit "Start" and watch it roll
10:14:26	lyarwood	https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/4b3e8872abc54e96b992747b739b7d3b/log/job-output.txt looks like we need to update the LC job as well before this will work
10:15:40	gibi	kashyap: 200 hourly rate?! I need to talk to my manager ....
10:16:15	kashyap	gibi: It's usually managers and their managers that might have that hourly rate :D
10:16:39	stephenfin	gibi: Nice :-D
10:17:46	kashyap	gibi: The website is also US-based; as we know, the numbers won't be a 1-1 mapping for EU.
10:21:09	gibi	I can imagine it maps to some EU countries but not to where I sit. :D
10:25:25	bauzas	gibi: that depends on if you count the company payslip taxes too
10:26:44	bauzas	maybe folks don't know, but for 100€ in a French brute payslip, the person gets somethink like 70€ and the company pays *140€*
10:27:32	bauzas	ie. in between what the company pays, and what the person gets, it's around 100% taxes
10:33:17	gibi	bauzas: similar here
10:34:46	gibi	from 100 I get 66 and company pays a total of 117
10:35:21	gibi	numbers are nicer with kids.
10:37:22	bauzas	interesting comparison
10:37:24	sean-k-mooney[m]	bauzas i think irish takes work out at more. 40% income tax on aything earned over 39000 a year + 4.5% universal social charge (usc) on your gross income over ~19,000 + paye related social insurace (prsi) at 4% by employee and 11.5% by employer
10:37:52	bauzas	man, did I opened a can of worms :D
10:38:50	sean-k-mooney[m]	so for you t orecive 100 gross in ireland the comapany pay 115 and you will recive about 51 euro net
10:39:22	bauzas	again, interesting
10:39:25	sean-k-mooney[m]	at least if you are in the higher tage bracket for earning more then 39,000 a year
10:39:48	bauzas	looks like associates pay less for taxes than the company, but at the end, taxes are similar
10:39:58	bauzas	sean-k-mooney: sames goes here
10:40:15	bauzas	I reflected my level of pay
10:40:46	bauzas	and yeah, whether you're having kids, you pay less
10:41:08	bauzas	but this was limited to a discount of 1500€ per kid roughly
10:41:15	bauzas	(per year)
10:41:39	sean-k-mooney[m]	we do it slightly differnt in that you dont pay less but you get a tax credit which is deuected form your yearly tax
10:42:31	sean-k-mooney[m]	we also have paye pay as you earn
10:42:41	sean-k-mooney[m]	so you dont file your own tax returns
10:42:51	bauzas	if people read asimov's foundation (and don't look at the TV series which is a joke), they'll understand that any single govnerment can only generate more taxes over the time
10:42:56	sean-k-mooney[m]	your employer deducts tax at source and files it for you
10:43:34	sean-k-mooney[m]	which i like since for the most part you dont haver to worry about this
10:44:10	bauzas	very quickly, we have three levels of taxes for a single payslip
10:44:40	bauzas	1/ the company taxes, payed by the company, which are roughly 47% except for minimum wages
10:45:42	bauzas	2/ the social, retirement and insurance taxes, which are roughy 15-20%, and independent of your household
10:45:47	kashyap	bauzas: I've been wanting to read Asimov; thanks for the reminder!
10:46:23	bauzas	3/ the income taxes, which were only collected once per year very late, and which changed recently and are now paid directly over the payslip
10:47:04	bauzas	kashyap: don't read my twitter account, you could get spoiled as I yelled multiple times at the series
10:47:26	kashyap	bauzas: Heh, don't worry; I'm social-media clean for 9 years now :-)
10:47:36	bauzas	kashyap: I also retired from Twitter
10:47:49	kashyap	More power to you.
10:48:09	kashyap	JOMO++ (joy of missing out)
10:48:14	bauzas	hell yeah, and Facebook is just very little used
10:48:45	bauzas	kashyap: never read Asimov N
10:48:46	bauzas	?
10:49:20	bauzas	this is vast, I'd recomment you to start with Foundation's Prelude to get a chronological view instead of a publication view
10:49:36	bauzas	but you'd also have to read some other books
10:49:42	kashyap	bauzas: No. The only sci-fi I've ever read is Iain M. Banks' Culture series
10:49:48	bauzas	the Robots cycle, obviously

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