| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-cyborg - 2017-04-05 | |||
| 15:03:39 | openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:03:41 | openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_cyborg' | |
| 15:03:55 | zhipeng_ | #info zhipeng crushil | |
| 15:04:02 | zhipeng_ | who else do we have at the meeting ? | |
| 15:10:34 | jkilpatr | o/ | |
| 15:10:36 | jkilpatr | sorry I'm late | |
| 15:12:08 | zhipeng_ | no problem,just saw your patch | |
| 15:12:16 | zhipeng_ | #topic BP discussion | |
| 15:12:54 | zhipeng_ | I must apologize that due to the cloudnativecon week, I have not been attentive to the api BP | |
| 15:13:09 | zhipeng_ | will get to it starting tmr I hope | |
| 15:13:29 | zhipeng_ | crushil jkilpatr could you guys walk through the updates ? | |
| 15:13:44 | crushil | Sure | |
| 15:14:08 | jkilpatr | crushil, you first? | |
| 15:14:15 | crushil | yup | |
| 15:14:28 | crushil | Updated the bp for the generic driver implementation and trying to incorporate all the changes that were requested | |
| 15:15:08 | crushil | Did some reviews on other BPs as well and waiting for the BP owners to come back with a response | |
| 15:15:53 | zhipeng_ | crushil cool man, any outstanding issues at the moment ? | |
| 15:15:58 | crushil | The generic driver implementation bp is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447257/ | |
| 15:16:19 | crushil | zhipeng_, Nope, just need more review comments atm | |
| 15:16:34 | zhipeng_ | great :) | |
| 15:18:02 | zhipeng_ | jkilpatr how about your updates ? | |
| 15:18:34 | jkilpatr | So I still need to address a review from a Friday. It's not going to be the conductor's responsibility to attach accelerators, so I need to remove it from that part of the loop | |
| 15:18:51 | jkilpatr | then I think I'll be taking the suggestion to move setup responsiblities out of the conductor. | |
| 15:19:15 | jkilpatr | for the time being I guess we can maintain a directory of setup playbooks and document how to use them. | |
| 15:19:50 | jkilpatr | I also need to actually write the caching stuff we talked about in the last meeting. Might try and get through that today | |
| 15:19:52 | jkilpatr | that's all. | |
| 15:20:19 | zhipeng_ | i don't remember we had discussion on moving out setup functionalities | |
| 15:20:34 | zhipeng_ | is it from the review ? | |
| 15:20:48 | jkilpatr | zhipeng_, it's in the review comments. | |
| 15:21:15 | zhipeng_ | my network is dreadfully slow now ... so comments from _gryf ? | |
| 15:21:33 | jkilpatr | Roman doesn't like the idea of having a program run off and install it's own dependencies. Which I can understand. | |
| 15:21:42 | zhipeng_ | i thought we had a understanding that agent could do the ansible stuff | |
| 15:23:17 | zhipeng_ | okey i will dig into Roman's comment later | |
| 15:24:17 | jkilpatr | There are arguments from both sides, on one hand ease of setup, on the other the potential conseqences of cyborg running wild with root. | |
| 15:24:48 | jkilpatr | in the end we're planning on making the same playbooks and just having a human press the button instead of the agent. | |
| 15:24:52 | zhipeng_ | so if we do the setup as a out-of-band operation | |
| 15:25:07 | zhipeng_ | okey | |
| 15:26:29 | zhipeng_ | but I do have some scenarios that maybe still the agent should do the setup, despite of the security concerns | |
| 15:27:24 | zhipeng_ | for example for some dataplane virtualization techniques, you could compose a set up virtual functions into one bigger function | |
| 15:27:47 | zhipeng_ | a case wouldbe to compose a virtual FW on a intelligent NIC card | |
| 15:28:25 | zhipeng_ | using different dedicated small virtual networking functions which will do q-in-q, switching respectively | |
| 15:29:02 | zhipeng_ | jkilpatrt I think the overall question is that , could we have a compromise between the two sides ? | |
| 15:31:01 | jkilpatr | zhipeng_, I think we could find some sort of compromise I'm just not sure where to draw the line | |
| 15:32:00 | zhipeng_ | I was thinking the line could be where the root privilege is required | |
| 15:32:24 | zhipeng_ | if the root is required on the host side, then maybe it is good, as Roman suggested, to leave to the humans | |
| 15:32:39 | jkilpatr | that sounds reasonable enough. | |
| 15:32:40 | zhipeng_ | but if it is root privilege on the smart device | |
| 15:33:06 | zhipeng_ | then we could, at the moment, assume that the conductor could perform the setup with root privilege | |
| 15:33:31 | zhipeng_ | it has security concerns as well, no doubt, but i think we could deal with it later on | |
| 15:34:30 | jkilpatr | you're talking about permissions levels on the accelerator itself? What is the "smart device" ? | |
| 15:35:51 | zhipeng_ | yes i was. smart device like intelligent NICs I referred to | |
| 15:36:13 | zhipeng_ | there are FPGA enabled devices that you could program the "micro" virtual functions | |
| 15:36:27 | zhipeng_ | deploy them in different ways to compose different functionalities | |
| 15:36:49 | zhipeng_ | it is not widely used yet, but I think it would be a major use case later on | |
| 15:37:08 | jkilpatr | I know FPGA's can be deployed like that but I never thought about user levels on them. | |
| 15:37:08 | zhipeng_ | for example in edge computing, where you could dynamically compose your network dataplane | |
| 15:37:46 | zhipeng_ | that was just my thinking | |
| 15:38:09 | jkilpatr | it makes sense, just never considered it that way. | |
| 15:38:56 | zhipeng_ | if we could have cyoborg agent setup an ansible playbook on a rasberry pie | |
| 15:39:03 | zhipeng_ | that would be supper awesome :P | |
| 15:39:22 | jkilpatr | but why? | |
| 15:39:49 | zhipeng_ | (just thinking out loud) | |
| 15:40:12 | zhipeng_ | never mind the pie example | |
| 15:40:34 | zhipeng_ | so I think I will also comment on the patch, to see what's _gryf's take on this | |
| 15:41:17 | zhipeng_ | if in the end , the dynamic composition FPGA use case is still too far fetch, then we could just have the regular playbook procedure | |
| 15:43:04 | jkilpatr | I think that's fine for now. Maybe add some notifications to the operator that things need to be setup. | |
| 15:43:14 | jkilpatr | I think we could detect new accelerators without root | |
| 15:43:39 | zhipeng_ | yes that is ture | |
| 15:43:43 | zhipeng_ | true ... | |
| 15:43:49 | zhipeng_ | fat fingers | |
| 15:44:00 | zhipeng_ | #topic AoB | |
| 15:44:09 | zhipeng_ | okey any other buisness or topics | |
| 15:46:13 | crushil | Not from me | |
| 15:48:40 | jkilpatr | not from me either | |
| 15:48:45 | zhipeng_ | okey thank you guys for the great work on the bp patches, let's conclude the meeting earlier today :) | |
| 15:48:53 | zhipeng_ | see you guys on gerrit :P | |
| 15:48:58 | zhipeng_ | #endmeeting | |
| 15:49:00 | openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 5 15:48:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | |
| 15:49:01 | openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_cyborg/2017/openstack_cyborg.2017-04-05-15.03.html | |
| 15:49:02 | openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_cyborg/2017/openstack_cyborg.2017-04-05-15.03.txt | |
| 15:49:04 | openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_cyborg/2017/openstack_cyborg.2017-04-05-15.03.log.html | |
| #openstack-cyborg - 2017-04-12 | |||
| 14:01:46 | ewchan | Hi. This is Eugene Chan from Huawei. I would like to be an observer of the meeting today. | |
| 14:02:29 | zhipeng | cool :) | |
| 14:02:37 | NokMikeR | HI Eugene, welcome. | |
| 14:02:39 | zhipeng | our meeting will start one hour later | |
| 14:02:45 | zhipeng | but we could always chat :P | |
| 14:04:34 | ewchan | oh. thanks. it must be the dst changes. as it listed as 10am est in the cyborg site. | |
| 14:05:10 | zhipeng | i forgot to change lol | |
| 14:05:19 | zhipeng | thx for reminding | |
| 14:05:43 | ewchan | no problem :) | |
| 14:06:00 | NokMikeR | was the meeting normally held at 15:00 UTC? | |
| 14:06:29 | zhipeng | NokMikeR yes I think at least for the Pike cycle | |
| 15:01:29 | crushil | \o | |
| 15:06:50 | zhipengh[m] | Hey guys | |
| 15:07:04 | zhipengh[m] | My home network is very unstable | |
| 15:07:26 | zhipengh[m] | #startmeeting openstack-cyborg | |
| 15:07:27 | openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 15:07:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipengh[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | |
| 15:07:28 | openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:07:31 | openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_cyborg' | |
| 15:07:53 | zhipengh[m] | #topic BP outstanding issues | |