Just found this at BrainBuzz:
Desktop Databases around the Web
The client-server world has been moving toward multi-tier architecture for
several years. Well, most of it. Visual FoxPro developers have been slow to
move in that direction.
VFP developers have favored single-tier applications, with all of the
programming language in one monolithic application. Heck, quite often,
nearly all of the logic sits behind a single form. VFP is also sometimes
used as a front-end for a SQL database.
FoxTalk newsletter has an article this month by Craig Berntson. He shows
readers how to leverage COM+ and become avant garde VFP programmers with
multi-tier FoxPro applications.
http://www.pinnaclepublishing.com/FT/FTmag.nsf/0/F3465355DA9A62C985256A48005
1ECE8
Why don't they just say what they really think? For me, this is not true.
I've been "moving toward" multi-tier architecture for years, too. Talk about
an over generalization. In my opinion, we are the pioneers of nTier! I
like to steal the phrase from Intel and say that my apps are "nTier Inside"
as my layers are not always in different languages but inside VFP (and based
on VFE6, I might add, the first true nTier framework for VFP).
Nevertheless, I can still say it's nTier and I can still "break out" any
layer at any time into COM components if there were a need. Amazingly,
there hasn't been much need.
And, why are we being singled out as the "monolithic" group anyway. What
the @#$@#! do you call Access for crying out loud?!?!
Anyway, Craig's article is excellent, regardless of BrainBuzz's intro to it.
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Randy Jean, MCP, Integration Services
Orion Group Software Engineers
rjean@ogse.com
Fax (via email) - (810) 885-6254
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Randy, somewhere along the line, the concept of a complete DBMS product
development system became synonymous with 'monolithic', where closer to the
truth is that the use of a single, integrated DBMS product development
system that can be used to create all of the different tiers that are needed
is the best approach.
The forces-that-be don't want us to think that way, maybe because there's
lots of money involved, and "churn" is what has been driving this industry
in ridiculous ways.
Bill
> Just found this at BrainBuzz:
>
> Desktop Databases around the Web
>
> The client-server world has been moving toward multi-tier architecture for
> several years. Well, most of it. Visual FoxPro developers have
> been slow to move in that direction.
>
> VFP developers have favored single-tier applications, with all of the
> programming language in one monolithic application. Heck, quite often,
> nearly all of the logic sits behind a single form. VFP is also sometimes
> used as a front-end for a SQL database.
>
> FoxTalk newsletter has an article this month by Craig Berntson. He shows
> readers how to leverage COM+ and become avant garde VFP programmers with
> multi-tier FoxPro applications.
>
> http://www.pinnaclepublishing.com/FT/FTmag.nsf/0/F3465355DA9A62C98
> 5256A48005
> 1ECE8
>
>
> Why don't they just say what they really think? For me, this is not true.
> I've been "moving toward" multi-tier architecture for years, too.
> Talk about
> an over generalization. In my opinion, we are the pioneers of nTier! I
> like to steal the phrase from Intel and say that my apps are
> "nTier Inside"
> as my layers are not always in different languages but inside VFP
> (and based
> on VFE6, I might add, the first true nTier framework for VFP).
> Nevertheless, I can still say it's nTier and I can still "break out" any
> layer at any time into COM components if there were a need. Amazingly,
> there hasn't been much need.
>
> And, why are we being singled out as the "monolithic" group anyway. What
> the @#$@#! do you call Access for crying out loud?!?!
>
> Anyway, Craig's article is excellent, regardless of BrainBuzz's
> intro to it.
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Randy Jean, MCP, Integration Services
> Orion Group Software Engineers
> rjean@ogse.com
> Fax (via email) - (810) 885-6254
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
Found in microsoft.public.programmer.exchange.
Cindy
"Mike Watson" <mike.watson@harte-hanks.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<03db01c2fddd$afb0bb30$2f01280a@phx.gbl>...
> We are based in Uxbridge, England and are looking for
> experienced Fox Pro programmers for client work
>
> Please email or call direct +44 1344 325520
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
I am currently in the process of trying to learn Python and came upon
this very usefull site which is a great learning tool for experienced
VFP programmers.
http://diveintopython.org/toc.html
Now for my first project!
Dave Crozier
DaveC@Replacement-Software.co.uk
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Every time I read about the end of VFP it worries me. I wonder... Does
anyone know how many active VFP developers are out there? Could it be as
mant as 10,000? That would only be about 200 per state in the U.S. Does
that seem like too many?
How can we know how many of us there are?
Author: Michael Madigan
Posted: 2003-06-11 16:46:00 Link
There are a lot, especially in Europe.
--- alan wyne <alanw@rollpak.com> wrote:
> We could count off......ONE
>
> ok, everyone else now.........
>
> Alan Wyne
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profox-bounces@leafe.com
> [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com]On
> Behalf Of Matt Slay
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:11 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: How many active3 VFP programmers out there?
>
>
> Every time I read about the end of VFP it worries me. I
> wonder... Does
> anyone know how many active VFP developers are out there? Could
> it be as
> mant as 10,000? That would only be about 200 per state in the
> U.S. Does
> that seem like too many?
>
> How can we know how many of us there are?
>
>
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Author: Derek J. Kalweit
Posted: 2003-06-11 16:57:00 Link
> Every time I read about the end of VFP it worries me. I=20
> wonder... Does
> anyone know how many active VFP developers are out there?=20
> Could it be as
> mant as 10,000? That would only be about 200 per state in the=20
> U.S. Does that seem like too many?
>=20
> How can we know how many of us there are?
Ken Levy(VFP Product Manager) says about 125,000:
http://www.leafe.com/archives/showMsg/132228
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Derek
We could count off......ONE
ok, everyone else now.........
Alan Wyne
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com]On
Behalf Of Matt Slay
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:11 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: How many active3 VFP programmers out there?
Every time I read about the end of VFP it worries me. I wonder... Does
anyone know how many active VFP developers are out there? Could it be as
mant as 10,000? That would only be about 200 per state in the U.S. Does
that seem like too many?
How can we know how many of us there are?
[excessive quoting removed by server]
TWO!!!!
alan wyne wrote:
>We could count off......ONE
>
>ok, everyone else now.........
>
>Alan Wyne
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com]On
>Behalf Of Matt Slay
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:11 PM
>To: 'ProFox Email List'
>Subject: How many active3 VFP programmers out there?
>
>
>Every time I read about the end of VFP it worries me. I wonder... Does
>anyone know how many active VFP developers are out there? Could it be as
>mant as 10,000? That would only be about 200 per state in the U.S. Does
>that seem like too many?
>
>How can we know how many of us there are?
>
>
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Author: Stuart Dunkeld
Posted: 2003-06-12 05:02:00 Link
> Does anyone know how many active VFP developers are=20
> out there? Could it be as mant as 10,000? That would only be=20
> about 200 per state in the U.S.
If only the rest of the world had computers too, maybe they would use =
VFP as well.
Stuart
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