What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000 worth
of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to restrict
functionality and a termination routine that renders the program totally
non-functional after a set date.) on their computer and reverse engineers
the software and removes the the evaluation restrictions, without paying
for it?
Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
TIA
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I would call it stealing, but I hate thieves
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What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000 worth
of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to restrict
functionality and a termination routine that renders the program totally
non-functional after a set date.) on their computer and reverse engineers
the software and removes the the evaluation restrictions, without paying for
it?
Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
TIA
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I agree, but what do you think about this? There is a medical hardware
company that sold their devices with software. The software company
went out of business and a lot of people legally own the hardware and
software but it is unusable because they can't get installation codes.
What would you call it if someone reverse engineered the installation
codes so the users could use their equipment?
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On 07/09/2013 04:09 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I would call it stealing, but I hate thieves
>
>
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>
> What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000 worth
> of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to restrict
> functionality and a termination routine that renders the program totally
> non-functional after a set date.) on their computer and reverse engineers
> the software and removes the the evaluation restrictions, without paying for
> it?
>
> Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
>
> TIA
>
> George
>
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That is legal.
They bought it.
They own it.
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I agree, but what do you think about this? There is a medical hardware
company that sold their devices with software. The software company went
out of business and a lot of people legally own the hardware and software
but it is unusable because they can't get installation codes.
What would you call it if someone reverse engineered the installation codes
so the users could use their equipment?
Jeff
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On 07/09/2013 04:09 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I would call it stealing, but I hate thieves
>
>
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> Subject: [NF] Reverse Engineering . Legality
>
> What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000
> worth of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to
> restrict functionality and a termination routine that renders the
> program totally non-functional after a set date.) on their computer
> and reverse engineers the software and removes the the evaluation
> restrictions, without paying for it?
>
> Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
>
> TIA
>
> George
>
> --
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I released such a program about 20 years ago. (Except it was only $450)
They used it for 2 years and then needed support
I fixed the security issue, disabled access after 7 days if it had their
company name, and updated their system.
Worked a treat.
Why do you ask about legality. Morality always takes precedence.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM, G Gambill <gwgambill@gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000 worth
> of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to restrict
> functionality and a termination routine that renders the program totally
> non-functional after a set date.) on their computer and reverse engineers
> the software and removes the the evaluation restrictions, without paying
> for it?
>
> Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
>
> TIA
>
> George
>
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Sytze: I love your answer!
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On 07/09/2013 04:47 PM, Sytze de Boer wrote:
> I released such a program about 20 years ago. (Except it was only $450)
> They used it for 2 years and then needed support
> I fixed the security issue, disabled access after 7 days if it had their
> company name, and updated their system.
> Worked a treat.
>
> Why do you ask about legality. Morality always takes precedence.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM, G Gambill <gwgambill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you call it (technical name) when a company installs $45,000 worth
>> of evaluation software (with a dysfunctional security program to restrict
>> functionality and a termination routine that renders the program totally
>> non-functional after a set date.) on their computer and reverse engineers
>> the software and removes the the evaluation restrictions, without paying
>> for it?
>>
>> Anyone know if this would this be considered a felony?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> George
>>
>> --
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I agree, but what do you think about this? There is a medical hardware
> company that sold their devices with software. The software company
> went out of business and a lot of people legally own the hardware and
> software but it is unusable because they can't get installation codes.
In that case, if the software vendor has gone bust and nobody bought the
rights, I say reverse away.
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The company might have gone but it's possible someone has rights to the
code.
Al
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In that case, if the software vendor has gone bust and nobody bought the
rights, I say reverse away.
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It used to be normal to have an escrow agreement in software licences so
that if the vendor went bust the source code would be released by the
third-party escrow holder.
On 10/07/2013 04:48, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I agree, but what do you think about this? There is a medical
> hardware company that sold their devices with software. The software
> company went out of business and a lot of people legally own the
> hardware and software but it is unusable because they can't get
> installation codes. What would you call it if someone reverse
> engineered the installation codes so the users could use their equipment?
>
>
> Jeff
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> What do you call it (technical name) when
It's not technical it's a legal issue. And if you're lucky, you won't find
a lawyer on this forum (*shudder*)
IANAL. You should contact one if you are involved.
It's likely a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, DMCA, as
nearly everything is. But whether that is a felony, a misdemeanor a civil
violation, a venal sin, or an oopsie, I cannot even speculate.
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