Author: Ed Leafe
Posted: 2012-08-31 12:49:39 Link
If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly.
For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
"Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment."
http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
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Author: Michael Madigan
Posted: 2012-08-31 15:09:48 Link
Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks.
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If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly.
For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
"Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment."
http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH )
-- Ed Leafe
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Author: Jerry Wolper
Posted: 2012-08-31 16:43:05 Link
> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never
> see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their
> country sucks.
Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like
about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it
better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you
hate America?
-Jerry
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Author: Michael Madigan
Posted: 2012-08-31 16:51:08 Link
Jerry,
This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country?
Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic?
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> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never
> see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their
> country sucks.
Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like
about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it
better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you
hate America?
-Jerry
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Author: Michael Madigan
Posted: 2012-08-31 16:51:39 Link
He knew you'd like it.
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Very enlightening prospective that could only come from someone having a
boarder world wide experience of living in many countries around the
world outside the sphere of USA influence.
Regards,
LelandJ
in many countries around the world.
On 08/31/2012 12:49 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than
> every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete'
> now. This will offend you greatly.
>
> For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point
> of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
>
> "Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his
> moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for
> the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But
> you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my
> current relationship with the United States. The United States is my
> alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want
> to be near him at the moment."
>
>
http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
>
>
>
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>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
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Author: lelandj
Posted: 2012-08-31 16:53:49 Link
Very enlightening prospective that could only come from someone having a
boarder world wide experience of living in many countries around the
world outside the sphere of USA influence.
Regards,
LelandJ
in many countries around the world.
On 08/31/2012 12:49 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than
> every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete'
> now. This will offend you greatly.
>
> For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point
> of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
>
> "Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his
> moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for
> the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But
> you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my
> current relationship with the United States. The United States is my
> alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want
> to be near him at the moment."
>
>
http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
>
>
>
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>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
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Author: lelandj
Posted: 2012-08-31 17:05:45 Link
Spoken like a true denier, Mike. The first step to a solution to any
problem is to recognize and admit their is a problem. LOL
Regards,
LelandJ
On 08/31/2012 03:09 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks.
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
>
> If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly.
>
> For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
>
> "Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment."
>
> http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
> ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH )
>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
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Author: Michael Madigan
Posted: 2012-08-31 17:18:45 Link
You and Ed are probably the only America-haters in Texas.
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Spoken like a true denier, Mike. The first step to a solution to any
problem is to recognize and admit their is a problem. LOL
Regards,
LelandJ
On 08/31/2012 03:09 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country sucks.
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
>
> If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This will offend you greatly.
>
> For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
>
> "Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment."
>
> http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
> ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH )
>
>
> -- Ed Lea[excessive quoting removed by server]
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Author: lelandj
Posted: 2012-08-31 18:07:38 Link
Patriotism has it place Mike, but not false pride. I listened to much
of the Republican National Convention and got a ear full of the need for
America to remain a world leader with strong preemptive military powers,
and the need for America to be a Democratic, Economic, and Moral role
model for the rest of the world. Condi Rice especially spoke to the
need for America to enlightenment the rest of the world by example or
force if needed. Condi also spoke about, as a young girl growing up in
the segregated south, that she could aspire to becoming the President of
the USA.
What do you think, Mike. Will Condi Rick run for president in 2016, or
perhaps we will have a Jeb Bush, Condi Rice neoconservative bid. LOL
The point I'm making is this approach has already been tried from 2000
to 2008, and proved to be prohibitively costly in terms of loss of
international esteem, loss of life, loss of national treasure and loss
of property, and resulted in almost no return in term of achieving the
desired results. It's also interesting to note that neoconservative,
who register as Republicans, claim to be conservatives, but really spend
more and create more government, than liberals. LOL
It's hard to sell the USA to the rest of the world, as a shinning
example of success, when so many other countries have living standard
much better than ours.
#----------------------------------------
Excerpt:
Neoconservatism is a variant of the political ideology of conservatism
which combines features of traditional (paleo) conservatism, military
interventionism, social conservatism, nationalism, and a qualified
endorsement of free markets.[1] Neoconservatism (or new conservatism) is
rooted in a group of former liberals, who in the late 1960s, began to
embrace nationalism and interventionism in opposition the rise of the
USSR and moved significantly to the right of the spectrum.
#---------------------------------------
Regards,
LelandJ
On 08/31/2012 04:51 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> This list has people from all over the world, France, Germany, Australia, The UK, China, Egypt, Belgium, India, Columbia, Argentina, Iran, and others. Have you ever seen a single person from a country other than the US ever post a list of things they didn't like about their country?
>
> Why are there so many self-loathing Americans? Do citizens of other countries wring their hands about being too patriotic?
>
>
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> To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>
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> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:43 PM
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>
>> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never
>> see anyone from any other country post a list of things why their
>> country sucks.
> Gee, Mike. It's possible to post a list of things you don't like
> about your country without hating it; you may just want to make it
> better. Or should we read all your criticisms as evidence that you
> hate America?
>
> -Jerry
>
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Author: Nicholas Geti
Posted: 2012-08-31 18:14:23 Link
I have no problem with listing things that need fixing but when these people
don't want to come back to visit our country, that's when I am turned off
and think they are just plain jerks.
If your brother is an alcoholic, you try to do something, not roll him out
of the closet on special occasions. As I was reading this article I realized
that every point applies to some other country as well. Anybody can come up
with anecdotal themes to explain one's point but so what?
E.g. go to any country and ask someone where Iowa is. I'll bet 100% of them
wouldn't know. That proves nothing about whether our citizens know what's
going on in the world.
Another one: We are consumed by our success attitude which is caused by
massive corruption. Every country in the world has the same problem with
corruption. India, Afghanistan, and many more are constantly in the news
about their vast culture of corruption. So the author is full of b.s. Every
country's citizens are striving for material success not just here.
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> Ever notice how only Americans hate their country? You would never see
> anyone from any other country post a list of things why their country
> sucks.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ed Leafe <ed.leafe@rackspace.com>
> To: ProFox Mailing List <profox@leafe.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:49 PM
> Subject: [OT] 10 Things Most Americans Don't Know About America
>
> If you're one of those people who think that the USA is better than every
> other country at everything, stop reading and click 'Delete' now. This
> will offend you greatly.
>
> For the rest of us, it is a sobering look at America from the point of
> view of an American who has lived in many parts of the world.
>
> "Imagine you have a brother and he’s an alcoholic. He has his moments, but
> you keep your distance from him. You don’t mind him for the occasional
> family gathering or holiday. You still love him. But you don’t want to be
> around him. This is how I lovingly describe my current relationship with
> the United States. The United States is my alcoholic brother. And although
> I will always love him, I don’t want to be near him at the moment."
>
> http://bananenplanet.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/10-things-most-americans-dont-know-about-america/
> ( -or- http://goo.gl/udBAH )
>
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
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