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2001-05-22 16:10Randy S. Jean : VFP programmers slow to move
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VFP programmers slow to move

Author: Randy S. Jean

Posted: 2001-05-22 16:10:49   Link

Just found this at BrainBuzz:

Desktop Databases around the Web

The client-server world has been moving toward multi-tier architecture for

several years. Well, most of it. Visual FoxPro developers have been slow to

move in that direction.

VFP developers have favored single-tier applications, with all of the

programming language in one monolithic application. Heck, quite often,

nearly all of the logic sits behind a single form. VFP is also sometimes

used as a front-end for a SQL database.

FoxTalk newsletter has an article this month by Craig Berntson. He shows

readers how to leverage COM+ and become avant garde VFP programmers with

multi-tier FoxPro applications.

http://www.pinnaclepublishing.com/FT/FTmag.nsf/0/F3465355DA9A62C985256A48005

1ECE8

Why don't they just say what they really think? For me, this is not true.

I've been "moving toward" multi-tier architecture for years, too. Talk about

an over generalization. In my opinion, we are the pioneers of nTier! I

like to steal the phrase from Intel and say that my apps are "nTier Inside"

as my layers are not always in different languages but inside VFP (and based

on VFE6, I might add, the first true nTier framework for VFP).

Nevertheless, I can still say it's nTier and I can still "break out" any

layer at any time into COM components if there were a need. Amazingly,

there hasn't been much need.

And, why are we being singled out as the "monolithic" group anyway. What

the @#$@#! do you call Access for crying out loud?!?!

Anyway, Craig's article is excellent, regardless of BrainBuzz's intro to it.

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Randy Jean, MCP, Integration Services

Orion Group Software Engineers

http://www.ogse.com

rjean@ogse.com

Fax (via email) - (810) 885-6254

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©2001 Randy S. Jean
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RE: VFP programmers slow to move

Author: Bill Arnold

Posted: 2001-05-22 22:57:57   Link

Randy, somewhere along the line, the concept of a complete DBMS product

development system became synonymous with 'monolithic', where closer to the

truth is that the use of a single, integrated DBMS product development

system that can be used to create all of the different tiers that are needed

is the best approach.

The forces-that-be don't want us to think that way, maybe because there's

lots of money involved, and "churn" is what has been driving this industry

in ridiculous ways.

Bill

> Just found this at BrainBuzz:

>

> Desktop Databases around the Web

>

> The client-server world has been moving toward multi-tier architecture for

> several years. Well, most of it. Visual FoxPro developers have

> been slow to move in that direction.

>

> VFP developers have favored single-tier applications, with all of the

> programming language in one monolithic application. Heck, quite often,

> nearly all of the logic sits behind a single form. VFP is also sometimes

> used as a front-end for a SQL database.

>

> FoxTalk newsletter has an article this month by Craig Berntson. He shows

> readers how to leverage COM+ and become avant garde VFP programmers with

> multi-tier FoxPro applications.

>

> http://www.pinnaclepublishing.com/FT/FTmag.nsf/0/F3465355DA9A62C98

> 5256A48005

> 1ECE8

>

>

> Why don't they just say what they really think? For me, this is not true.

> I've been "moving toward" multi-tier architecture for years, too.

> Talk about

> an over generalization. In my opinion, we are the pioneers of nTier! I

> like to steal the phrase from Intel and say that my apps are

> "nTier Inside"

> as my layers are not always in different languages but inside VFP

> (and based

> on VFE6, I might add, the first true nTier framework for VFP).

> Nevertheless, I can still say it's nTier and I can still "break out" any

> layer at any time into COM components if there were a need. Amazingly,

> there hasn't been much need.

>

> And, why are we being singled out as the "monolithic" group anyway. What

> the @#$@#! do you call Access for crying out loud?!?!

>

> Anyway, Craig's article is excellent, regardless of BrainBuzz's

> intro to it.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Randy Jean, MCP, Integration Services

> Orion Group Software Engineers

> http://www.ogse.com

> rjean@ogse.com

> Fax (via email) - (810) 885-6254

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

©2001 Bill Arnold