http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
- - -
This is the only place that you will get the full and true story of
President Bushââ¬â¢s Air National Guard service. There are no UNANSWERED
questions. There are no missing records. He did not miss any meetings. The
truth is known. You can find everything in this article, in other
publications but none of the others are complete. You have to put them all
together to get the full story. It is a shame that our national "objective"
media refuse to do their job and put the whole story together.
First, in answer to the charge that Bush was AWOL or missed meetings,
George Bush was NEVER assigned to the Alabama Guard. This is a myth promoted
by the "objective" media. Here is what really happened. Here is what the
head of the Alabama Guard said.
Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the Alabama Air
National Guard. He points out that Bush never transferred from the Texas Air
National Guard to the Alabama Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas
Guard during his stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And
Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any other officer
in the Alabama Guard.
Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule of the Alabama
Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for drills while in Alabama for
his service record in the Texas Guard. There was no compulsory attendance.
This was also confirmed by the Texas Guard.
This was reported in the Chicago Sun-Times and has never been picked
up by any other news organization. Turnipseed then also added.
For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would have had to have
been assigned to a unit and under its command.
For the liberals reading this, go back and read it again. You see,
Bush did NOT miss any meetings. The whole argument is nonsense. He got
permission from his commanding officer to go to Alabama and attend meetings
as a courtesy so he could attend when he could. Another part of this attack
is that no one saw Bush at the meetings he did attend. It was reported that
Turnipseed never saw Bush. Read what was reported about that.
Turnipseed reversed gear after retired Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun went
public to say that not only did he remember Bush in Alabama, but that it was
Turnipseed himself that introduced the two. Oops. And really...the media is
completely asleep at the switch on this one. How many people that you saw a
few times do you remember from 30 years ago?
Why didnââ¬â¢t fellow pilots see Bush in Alabama? The planes being flown
by the Alabama Guard were not the same as the F102 that Bush was trained on.
Why would pilots see him if he was not flying? That is why Lt. Col. Calhoun
came forward to say that was Bush was in his office for study and drill
time. Remember he was not assigned to the unit, he did NOT have to be there.
The following is from a letter by Col. William Campenni Ret. published
in the Washington Times.
There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the
draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members.
Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2ÃÂœÃÂœ
years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of
mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt.
Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going
through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival
training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine
months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was
even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure
weren't getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which
you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding
service? Yeah, tell that to those guys. The Bush critics do not comprehend
the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home,
when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while
Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in
Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of
those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.
Here is some information that the "objective" media avoids telling
you. John Kerry joined the Navy Reserve, he did not JOIN the Navy. The
Reserve was just like the National Guard. Kerry did NOT know he would be
sent to Vietnam.
George Bush joined the Guard for a SIX-year term. If you are drafted,
you only have to serve TWO years. Bush probably did not need to pull strings
to get into a jet fighter unit. Jets required a greater time commitment than
normal Guard postings. Pilots from the unit that he joined were being sent
to Vietnam. All the publications that have researched this have concluded
that there is NO evidence that he used any influence to get into the Guard.
The liberal publications will say that there is no evidence, but it is still
suspicious. That is a good journalistic standard? So, do you get it, Bush
joined a unit that at the time was serving in Vietnam.
The following is research from aerospaceweb.org ........
Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in
Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots
from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for
combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970. Palace
Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG
to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for
frontline duty. Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the
Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the
Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior, MAJ Maurice
Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training
and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore,
ANG veteran COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at
the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and
not accepting new applicants.
As he was completing training and being certified as a qualified F-102
pilot, Bush's squadron was a likely candidate to be rotated to Vietnam.
However, the F-102 was built for a type of air combat that wasn't seen
during that conflict, and the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in
December 1969. The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of
providing air defense for the United States. In addition, the mission of
Ellington AFB, where Bush was stationed, was also changing from air defense
alert to training all F-102 pilots in the US for Air National Guard duty.
Lt. Bush remained in the ANG as a certified F-102 pilot who participated in
frequent drills and alerts through April of 1972. ... By this time, the
147th Fighter Wing was also beginning to transition from the F-102 to the
F-101F, an updated version of the F-101B used primarily for air defense
patrols. Furthermore, the war in Vietnam was nearing its end and the US was
withdrawing its forces from the theater. Air Force personnel returning to
the US created a glut of active-duty pilots, and there were not enough
aircraft available to accommodate all of the qualified USAF and ANG pilots.
Since USAF personnel had priority for the billets available, many of the Air
National Guard pilots whose enlistments were nearly complete requested early
release. The ANG was eager to fulfill these requests because there was not
enough time to retrain F-102 pilots to operate new aircraft before their
enlistments were up anyway. Bush was one of those forced out by the
transition, and he was honorably discharged as a first lieutenant in October
1973, eight months before his six-year enlistment was complete. Bush had
approximately 600 flight hours by the time he completed his military
service.
The folks at aerospaceweb concluded.........
While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious he was not
seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to Vietnam. At the time he was
training to be an F102 pilot, ANG units and that aircraft type were based in
Vietnam.
In conclusion, there is no evidence Bush got special treatment to join
the Guard. He did NOT miss any meetings, he was not assigned to the Alabama
Guard. The reason the so called "objective" media holds on to this myth is
that it lets them keep asking, where was Bush? The issue of his being
grounded is also answered because he would no longer be flying since his
plane was obsolete and he did not have enough Guard time left to train in a
new jet. You donââ¬â¢t need to report for a physical if you are not flying. Duh!
Kerry joined the Navy Reserve and did not expect to go to Vietnam.
When Kerry did go to Vietnam the swift boats were not during river patrols.
They were doing coastal patrols and were not in much danger. That is when he
volunteered to join the Swifteeââ¬â¢s. The assignment of those boats was changed
after he was accepted for the duty. Surprise, he got action and the rest is
disputed history.
The information in this article was published in "George Magazine",
"New York Times", "Washington Times", "Chicago Sun-Times", "Washington Post"
and aerospaceweb.org.
- - -
The best explanation I've seen so far.
- Bob
Author: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI
Posted: 2004-08-27 09:56:41 Link
Great post!
v/r
Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
Data Services Manager
stephen.wolfe@macdill.af.mil
(813) 827-9972 DSN 651-9972
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Calco [mailto:bobcalco@alltel.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:43 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] Bush Guard Service, The True Story
>
>
> http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
>
> - - -
> This is the only place that you will get the full and true
> story of President Bush's Air National Guard service. There
> are no UNANSWERED questions. There are no missing records. He
> did not miss any meetings. The truth is known. You can find
> everything in this article, in other publications but none of
> the others are complete. You have to put them all together to
> get the full story. It is a shame that our national
> "objective" media refuse to do their job and put the whole
> story together.
>
> First, in answer to the charge that Bush was AWOL or
> missed meetings, George Bush was NEVER assigned to the
> Alabama Guard. This is a myth promoted by the "objective"
> media. Here is what really happened. Here is what the head of
> the Alabama Guard said.
>
> Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the
> Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never
> transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama
> Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his
> stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And
> Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any
> other officer in the Alabama Guard.
>
> Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule
> of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for
> drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas
> Guard. There was no compulsory attendance. This was also
> confirmed by the Texas Guard.
>
> This was reported in the Chicago Sun-Times and has
> never been picked up by any other news organization.
> Turnipseed then also added.
>
> For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would
> have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command.
>
> For the liberals reading this, go back and read it
> again. You see, Bush did NOT miss any meetings. The whole
> argument is nonsense. He got permission from his commanding
> officer to go to Alabama and attend meetings as a courtesy so
> he could attend when he could. Another part of this attack is
> that no one saw Bush at the meetings he did attend. It was
> reported that Turnipseed never saw Bush. Read what was
> reported about that.
>
> Turnipseed reversed gear after retired Lt. Col. John "Bill"
> Calhoun went public to say that not only did he remember Bush
> in Alabama, but that it was Turnipseed himself that
> introduced the two. Oops. And really...the media is
> completely asleep at the switch on this one. How many people
> that you saw a few times do you remember from 30 years ago?
>
> Why didn't fellow pilots see Bush in Alabama? The
> planes being flown by the Alabama Guard were not the same as
> the F102 that Bush was trained on. Why would pilots see him
> if he was not flying? That is why Lt. Col. Calhoun came
> forward to say that was Bush was in his office for study and
> drill time. Remember he was not assigned to the unit, he did
> NOT have to be there.
>
> The following is from a letter by Col. William Campenni
> Ret. published in the Washington Times.
>
> There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard
> to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly,
> as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required,
> signing up for this duty meant up to 2ÃÂœÃÂœ years of active duty
> for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization.
> A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt.
> Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active
> duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight
> training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat
> crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed
> by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was
> even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two
> years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air
> Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an
> F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service?
> Yeah, tell that to those guys. The Bush critics do not
> comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or
> place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots
> were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in
> Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in
> Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just
> strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.
>
> Here is some information that the "objective" media
> avoids telling you. John Kerry joined the Navy Reserve, he
> did not JOIN the Navy. The Reserve was just like the National
> Guard. Kerry did NOT know he would be sent to Vietnam.
>
> George Bush joined the Guard for a SIX-year term. If
> you are drafted, you only have to serve TWO years. Bush
> probably did not need to pull strings to get into a jet
> fighter unit. Jets required a greater time commitment than
> normal Guard postings. Pilots from the unit that he joined
> were being sent to Vietnam. All the publications that have
> researched this have concluded that there is NO evidence that
> he used any influence to get into the Guard. The liberal
> publications will say that there is no evidence, but it is
> still suspicious. That is a good journalistic standard? So,
> do you get it, Bush joined a unit that at the time was
> serving in Vietnam.
>
> The following is research from aerospaceweb.org ........
>
> Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving
> in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an
> F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas
> ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a
> program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970. Palace Alert
> was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots
> from the ANG to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods
> of three to six months for frontline duty. Fred Bradley, a
> friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG,
> reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the
> Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a
> superior, MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified
> since they were still in training and did not have the 500
> hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
> COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS
> at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was
> winding down and not accepting new applicants.
>
> As he was completing training and being certified as a
> qualified F-102 pilot, Bush's squadron was a likely candidate
> to be rotated to Vietnam. However, the F-102 was built for a
> type of air combat that wasn't seen during that conflict, and
> the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in December 1969.
> The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of
> providing air defense for the United States. In addition, the
> mission of Ellington AFB, where Bush was stationed, was also
> changing from air defense alert to training all F-102 pilots
> in the US for Air National Guard duty. Lt. Bush remained in
> the ANG as a certified F-102 pilot who participated in
> frequent drills and alerts through April of 1972. ... By this
> time, the 147th Fighter Wing was also beginning to transition
> from the F-102 to the F-101F, an updated version of the
> F-101B used primarily for air defense patrols. Furthermore,
> the war in Vietnam was nearing its end and the US was
> withdrawing its forces from the theater. Air Force personnel
> returning to the US created a glut of active-duty pilots, and
> there were not enough aircraft available to accommodate all
> of the qualified USAF and ANG pilots. Since USAF personnel
> had priority for the billets available, many of the Air
> National Guard pilots whose enlistments were nearly complete
> requested early release. The ANG was eager to fulfill these
> requests because there was not enough time to retrain F-102
> pilots to operate new aircraft before their enlistments were
> up anyway. Bush was one of those forced out by the
> transition, and he was honorably discharged as a first
> lieutenant in October 1973, eight months before his six-year
> enlistment was complete. Bush had approximately 600 flight
> hours by the time he completed his military service.
>
> The folks at aerospaceweb concluded.........
>
> While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious
> he was not seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to
> Vietnam. At the time he was training to be an F102 pilot, ANG
> units and that aircraft type were based in Vietnam.
>
> In conclusion, there is no evidence Bush got special
> treatment to join the Guard. He did NOT miss any meetings, he
> was not assigned to the Alabama Guard. The reason the so
> called "objective" media holds on to this myth is that it
> lets them keep asking, where was Bush? The issue of his being
> grounded is also answered because he would no longer be
> flying since his plane was obsolete and he did not have
> enough Guard time left to train in a new jet. You don't need
> to report for a physical if you are not flying. Duh!
>
> Kerry joined the Navy Reserve and did not expect to go
> to Vietnam. When Kerry did go to Vietnam the swift boats were
> not during river patrols. They were doing coastal patrols and
> were not in much danger. That is when he volunteered to join
> the Swiftee's. The assignment of those boats was changed
> after he was accepted for the duty. Surprise, he got action
> and the rest is disputed history.
>
> The information in this article was published in
> "George Magazine", "New York Times", "Washington Times",
> "Chicago Sun-Times", "Washington Post" and aerospaceweb.org.
>
> - - -
>
> The best explanation I've seen so far.
>
> - Bob
>
>
>
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Unfortunately it will be totally ignored or twitted out by the very
people who ought to read it.
Or they'll just come back with "Why aren't we talking about health care?
Social Security? The homeless? Poverty?" etc etc etc
- Bob
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 10:56, Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
> Great post!
>
> v/r
>
> Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
> Data Services Manager
> stephen.wolfe@macdill.af.mil
> (813) 827-9972 DSN 651-9972
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Calco [mailto:bobcalco@alltel.net]
> > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 8:43 AM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: [OT] Bush Guard Service, The True Story
> >
> >
> > http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
> >
> > - - -
> > This is the only place that you will get the full and true
> > story of President Bush's Air National Guard service. There
> > are no UNANSWERED questions. There are no missing records. He
> > did not miss any meetings. The truth is known. You can find
> > everything in this article, in other publications but none of
> > the others are complete. You have to put them all together to
> > get the full story. It is a shame that our national
> > "objective" media refuse to do their job and put the whole
> > story together.
> >
> > First, in answer to the charge that Bush was AWOL or
> > missed meetings, George Bush was NEVER assigned to the
> > Alabama Guard. This is a myth promoted by the "objective"
> > media. Here is what really happened. Here is what the head of
> > the Alabama Guard said.
> >
> > Turnipseed states Bush was never ordered to report to the
> > Alabama Air National Guard. He points out that Bush never
> > transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama
> > Air National Guard. He remained in the Texas Guard during his
> > stay in Alabama. This was confirmed by the Texas Guard. And
> > Turnipseed added that Bush was never under his command or any
> > other officer in the Alabama Guard.
> >
> > Turnipseed added that Bush was informed of the drill schedule
> > of the Alabama Guard as a courtesy so he could get credit for
> > drills while in Alabama for his service record in the Texas
> > Guard. There was no compulsory attendance. This was also
> > confirmed by the Texas Guard.
> >
> > This was reported in the Chicago Sun-Times and has
> > never been picked up by any other news organization.
> > Turnipseed then also added.
> >
> > For Bush to be "AWOL" or "away without leave," he would
> > have had to have been assigned to a unit and under its command.
> >
> > For the liberals reading this, go back and read it
> > again. You see, Bush did NOT miss any meetings. The whole
> > argument is nonsense. He got permission from his commanding
> > officer to go to Alabama and attend meetings as a courtesy so
> > he could attend when he could. Another part of this attack is
> > that no one saw Bush at the meetings he did attend. It was
> > reported that Turnipseed never saw Bush. Read what was
> > reported about that.
> >
> > Turnipseed reversed gear after retired Lt. Col. John "Bill"
> > Calhoun went public to say that not only did he remember Bush
> > in Alabama, but that it was Turnipseed himself that
> > introduced the two. Oops. And really...the media is
> > completely asleep at the switch on this one. How many people
> > that you saw a few times do you remember from 30 years ago?
> >
> > Why didn't fellow pilots see Bush in Alabama? The
> > planes being flown by the Alabama Guard were not the same as
> > the F102 that Bush was trained on. Why would pilots see him
> > if he was not flying? That is why Lt. Col. Calhoun came
> > forward to say that was Bush was in his office for study and
> > drill time. Remember he was not assigned to the unit, he did
> > NOT have to be there.
> >
> > The following is from a letter by Col. William Campenni
> > Ret. published in the Washington Times.
> >
> > There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard
> > to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly,
> > as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required,
> > signing up for this duty meant up to 2ÃâÃÂœÃâÃÂœ years of active duty
> > for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization.
> > A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt.
> > Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active
> > duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight
> > training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat
> > crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed
> > by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was
> > even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two
> > years, you sure weren't getting out of duty being an Air
> > Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an
> > F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service?
> > Yeah, tell that to those guys. The Bush critics do not
> > comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or
> > place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots
> > were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in
> > Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in
> > Houston during Lt. Bush's tenure, with fatalities. Just
> > strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one's life.
> >
> > Here is some information that the "objective" media
> > avoids telling you. John Kerry joined the Navy Reserve, he
> > did not JOIN the Navy. The Reserve was just like the National
> > Guard. Kerry did NOT know he would be sent to Vietnam.
> >
> > George Bush joined the Guard for a SIX-year term. If
> > you are drafted, you only have to serve TWO years. Bush
> > probably did not need to pull strings to get into a jet
> > fighter unit. Jets required a greater time commitment than
> > normal Guard postings. Pilots from the unit that he joined
> > were being sent to Vietnam. All the publications that have
> > researched this have concluded that there is NO evidence that
> > he used any influence to get into the Guard. The liberal
> > publications will say that there is no evidence, but it is
> > still suspicious. That is a good journalistic standard? So,
> > do you get it, Bush joined a unit that at the time was
> > serving in Vietnam.
> >
> > The following is research from aerospaceweb.org ........
> >
> > Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving
> > in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an
> > F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas
> > ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a
> > program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970. Palace Alert
> > was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots
> > from the ANG to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods
> > of three to six months for frontline duty. Fred Bradley, a
> > friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG,
> > reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the
> > Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a
> > superior, MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified
> > since they were still in training and did not have the 500
> > hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
> > COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS
> > at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was
> > winding down and not accepting new applicants.
> >
> > As he was completing training and being certified as a
> > qualified F-102 pilot, Bush's squadron was a likely candidate
> > to be rotated to Vietnam. However, the F-102 was built for a
> > type of air combat that wasn't seen during that conflict, and
> > the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in December 1969.
> > The F-102 was instead returned to its primary role of
> > providing air defense for the United States. In addition, the
> > mission of Ellington AFB, where Bush was stationed, was also
> > changing from air defense alert to training all F-102 pilots
> > in the US for Air National Guard duty. Lt. Bush remained in
> > the ANG as a certified F-102 pilot who participated in
> > frequent drills and alerts through April of 1972. ... By this
> > time, the 147th Fighter Wing was also beginning to transition
> > from the F-102 to the F-101F, an updated version of the
> > F-101B used primarily for air defense patrols. Furthermore,
> > the war in Vietnam was nearing its end and the US was
> > withdrawing its forces from the theater. Air Force personnel
> > returning to the US created a glut of active-duty pilots, and
> > there were not enough aircraft available to accommodate all
> > of the qualified USAF and ANG pilots. Since USAF personnel
> > had priority for the billets available, many of the Air
> > National Guard pilots whose enlistments were nearly complete
> > requested early release. The ANG was eager to fulfill these
> > requests because there was not enough time to retrain F-102
> > pilots to operate new aircraft before their enlistments were
> > up anyway. Bush was one of those forced out by the
> > transition, and he was honorably discharged as a first
> > lieutenant in October 1973, eight months before his six-year
> > enlistment was complete. Bush had approximately 600 flight
> > hours by the time he completed his military service.
> >
> > The folks at aerospaceweb concluded.........
> >
> > While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious
> > he was not seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to
> > Vietnam. At the time he was training to be an F102 pilot, ANG
> > units and that aircraft type were based in Vietnam.
> >
> > In conclusion, there is no evidence Bush got special
> > treatment to join the Guard. He did NOT miss any meetings, he
> > was not assigned to the Alabama Guard. The reason the so
> > called "objective" media holds on to this myth is that it
> > lets them keep asking, where was Bush? The issue of his being
> > grounded is also answered because he would no longer be
> > flying since his plane was obsolete and he did not have
> > enough Guard time left to train in a new jet. You don't need
> > to report for a physical if you are not flying. Duh!
> >
> > Kerry joined the Navy Reserve and did not expect to go
> > to Vietnam. When Kerry did go to Vietnam the swift boats were
> > not during river patrols. They were doing coastal patrols and
> > were not in much danger. That is when he volunteered to join
> > the Swiftee's. The assignment of those boats was changed
> > after he was accepted for the duty. Surprise, he got action
> > and the rest is disputed history.
> >
> > The information in this article was published in
> > "George Magazine", "New York Times", "Washington Times",
> > "Chicago Sun-Times", "Washington Post" and aerospaceweb.org.
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > The best explanation I've seen so far.
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> >
> >
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Author: Stephen the Cook
Posted: 2004-08-27 10:18:30 Link
Bob Calco wrote:
> Unfortunately it will be totally ignored or twitted out by the very
> people who ought to read it.
>
> Or they'll just come back with "Why aren't we talking about health
> care? Social Security? The homeless? Poverty?" etc etc etc
Sucks, issues that have relevance today. No lets screw the homeless,
unless they were vets. Then we have to "look" into veterans benefits.
Stephen Russell
S.R. & Associates
Memphis, TN 38115
901.246-0159
Stephen:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:18, Stephen the Cook wrote:
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Unfortunately it will be totally ignored or twitted out by the very
> > people who ought to read it.
> >
> > Or they'll just come back with "Why aren't we talking about health
> > care? Social Security? The homeless? Poverty?" etc etc etc
>
> Sucks, issues that have relevance today. No lets screw the homeless,
> unless they were vets. Then we have to "look" into veterans benefits.
I'm not saying "let's not talk about these issues"--I'm just saying they
are used as distractions when a good point is made on this issue.
- Bob
>
>
>
> Stephen Russell
> S.R. & Associates
> Memphis, TN 38115
>
> 901.246-0159
>
>
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Author: Stephen the Cook
Posted: 2004-08-27 10:47:13 Link
Bob Calco wrote:
> I'm not saying "let's not talk about these issues"--I'm just saying
> they are used as distractions when a good point is made on this
> issue.
And that is the viewpoint I hate. Issues are used as distractions? You
have it bass akward there Bob. The distraction is the event and it
erodes all forward movement into "issues."
When the nation sees though the game that your apart of I feel we can as
a nation help lead the world. Instead we lie, prod, fake, destroy, just
to look better then an opponent. Makes me sick when you see the plot
and everyone is caught up as an actor. I see most of the OT posters as
actors following the party script instead of looking objectively at the
presentations from both sides.
We haven't seen much presented. Unless I missed something the past
month? Who knows maybe it will all come raining down next week via the
convention like data in the Matrix? Probably not!
Stephen Russell
S.R. & Associates
Memphis, TN 38115
901.246-0159
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:47, Stephen the Cook wrote:
> Bob Calco wrote:
>
> > I'm not saying "let's not talk about these issues"--I'm just saying
> > they are used as distractions when a good point is made on this
> > issue.
>
> And that is the viewpoint I hate. Issues are used as distractions? You
> have it bass akward there Bob. The distraction is the event and it
> erodes all forward movement into "issues."
I don't agree (I don't "hate" your viewpoint, but I just disagree).
When the discussion is ABOUT X, and instead of responding to a specific
point about X, the responder laments that he'd rather be talking about
Y, that is a distraction from the point about X that was just made.
Perhaps I didn't state it in sufficiently abstract terms.
>
> When the nation sees though the game that your apart of I feel we can as
> a nation help lead the world. Instead we lie, prod, fake, destroy, just
> to look better then an opponent. Makes me sick when you see the plot
> and everyone is caught up as an actor.
I know that feeling.
> I see most of the OT posters as
> actors following the party script instead of looking objectively at the
> presentations from both sides.
I see it that way too. Note I posted an article moments ago that, among
other things, debunks one of the Swift Vets--and I even came out and
said they guy -- Al Frank -- is, based on my current knowledge of his
situation, pond scum.
>
> We haven't seen much presented. Unless I missed something the past
> month? Who knows maybe it will all come raining down next week via the
> convention like data in the Matrix? Probably not!
I'm not sure exactly what you need to see. I've posted all manner of
items and analysis that go right to the heart of the matter. I have a
strong viewpoint on the matter that (so far) is I think based on fact.
I throw in my own interpretation, but not without evidence. Now, whether
the persons who disagree with me see the evidence, or agree to its
merit, is another issue. I keep waiting for responses to certain things
that I think fairly strongly "close" the matter... but instead I hear
whines and moans about how we aren't talking about "the issues" and I
think that's disingenuous.
I contribute to all kinds of posts. I'm a bit hotter at the moment on
the swift vet thing, but I do offer opinions and analysis on lots of
issues.
- Bob
>
> Stephen Russell
> S.R. & Associates
> Memphis, TN 38115
>
> 901.246-0159
>
>
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Of course it is Bob,
Anything is the "best explanation" when it is what you want to see... duh!
Cheers!
Philip
Bob Calco wrote:
>http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
>
>
>- - -
>
>The best explanation I've seen so far.
>
>- Bob
>
>
Philip:
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 13:05, PLB wrote:
> Of course it is Bob,
> Anything is the "best explanation" when it is what you want to see... duh!
>
Can you refute any of its many excellent points?
Or do you not even read it, when you see it supports the opinion you
don't want to see?
;)
> Cheers!
>
Cheers!
- Bob
> Philip
>
> Bob Calco wrote:
>
> >http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9259
> >
> >
> >- - -
> >
> >The best explanation I've seen so far.
> >
> >- Bob
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Bob,
I'm not Democrat or Republican.
I'll never sell my soul to any political party above what's right for
my country.
Yes, I did read it in it's entirety.
I don't care about politicians' military service... in fact I believe
people put too much weight on valuing a person by what they've done in
the military rather than what they've done with their everyday life in
any type of service work.
The military is not the only "service" a person can do for their
country. There are many more constructive ways of making our country a
better place to live.
Cheers! :)
Philip
Bob Calco wrote:
Philip:
Of course it is Bob,
Cheers!
Philip
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