| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-sdks - 2019-03-14 | |||
| 16:02:21 | gtema | dtantsur: thanks for hint. Will be there anyway earlier due to the schedule. How much time did it took you in the embassy? | |
| 16:02:58 | dtantsur | edleafe: I've got mine already. As unpleasant as usual, and now more expensive. | |
| 16:03:31 | gtema | edleafe: it is not easy. To apply you need to fill a form with 1000 of questions, with contact data of everyone, each previous employee, address of the university, DNA sample end so on ;-) | |
| 16:03:35 | dtantsur | gtema: forever. arrived there around 11:00, I got back to the main station around 14:00 | |
| 16:03:47 | edleafe | dtantsur: just curious - what does a visa cost for you? | |
| 16:03:55 | gtema | ah, ok. My appointment is also at 11 | |
| 16:04:20 | gtema | edleafe: around 180Euro | |
| 16:04:21 | dtantsur | edleafe: (fortunately not for me, for Red Hat) $160 is application, $143 to issue a 3 year visa for a Russian | |
| 16:04:27 | gtema | plus travel costs to embassy | |
| 16:04:40 | dtantsur | and then I had to stay overnight and the trains are pretty expensive too | |
| 16:04:42 | cdent | ooph | |
| 16:04:47 | edleafe | ugh | |
| 16:04:54 | dtantsur | (actually, the hotel was the cheapest part) | |
| 16:04:59 | edleafe | I thought with Trump in office Russians get in for free! | |
| 16:05:06 | elmiko | lol | |
| 16:05:22 | gtema | in addition to application you need to pay immediately for the passport delivery back to you (I think it was aroung 20€) | |
| 16:05:24 | dtantsur | weeellll... these things work on high levels :) | |
| 16:05:37 | dtantsur | gtema: right, 18+ EUR | |
| 16:05:50 | edleafe | gtema: I don't envy you | |
| 16:05:56 | edleafe | Sounds like a super hassle | |
| 16:06:08 | dtantsur | edleafe: you may get some taste of it with the Summit in China ;) | |
| 16:06:15 | gtema | it's quite unique - they send your pass back to you per UPS | |
| 16:06:29 | gtema | and if you need it in the meanwhile - no luck | |
| 16:06:35 | elmiko | seems like travel to the EU might be changing for us as well | |
| 16:06:44 | dtantsur | gtema: it was less than a week for me though | |
| 16:06:46 | edleafe | dtantsur: yeah, if IBM ever gets their shit together. I still haven't gotten approval for Denver! | |
| 16:06:59 | dtantsur | unlike for Canada, where I had to send my passport THERE by post, and then receive it back. | |
| 16:07:00 | elmiko | ouch edleafe | |
| 16:07:10 | elmiko | dtantsur: w.t.f. | |
| 16:07:30 | dtantsur | edleafe: 1. wait for the acquisition, 2. move to the Red Hat part, 3...., 4. PROFIT | |
| 16:07:31 | gtema | I got my approval just last week, and it is recommended to start whole visa process minimum 2 month in advance | |
| 16:07:43 | elmiko | dtantsur++ | |
| 16:08:02 | dtantsur | gtema: don't want to scare you, but the worst case is 6 months :) | |
| 16:08:35 | gtema | ha-ha. Let's see. The money is anyway already "gone" | |
| 16:08:44 | dtantsur | oh, and for Canada the embassy was in a different country (Austria covers for CZ) | |
| 16:08:49 | dtantsur | indeed :) | |
| 16:09:13 | gtema | German visa from Ukraine was a half day activity (plus 1-2 month waiting for an appointment) | |
| 16:09:39 | dtantsur | waiting for appointments is a national thing here :) | |
| 16:09:51 | gtema | yupp | |
| 16:10:34 | dtantsur | gtema: are you coming for the whole week? | |
| 16:10:50 | edleafe | Well, after all that effort, the least we from the US can do is by a beer for all of you! | |
| 16:10:57 | gtema | hopefully: 27.04-04.05 | |
| 16:11:02 | dtantsur | neat! | |
| 16:11:05 | dtantsur | edleafe++ | |
| 16:11:39 | gtema | and from the whole travel the hotel is the most expensive - 2000$. It's crazy | |
| 16:12:12 | dtantsur | yeah, it's ridiculous. I even got a relatively cheap flight ("only" ~700 EUR). but the hotel... | |
| 16:12:27 | elmiko | is that the denver renaissance hotel that is $2000? | |
| 16:12:35 | dtantsur | yeah, the default one | |
| 16:12:42 | elmiko | yikes! | |
| 16:12:51 | elmiko | did they raise their prices or something? | |
| 16:12:52 | dtantsur | I think it is $1400+ for me with all discounts | |
| 16:12:55 | elmiko | wow | |
| 16:13:03 | dtantsur | it's $250 per night | |
| 16:13:10 | dtantsur | + taxes if I recall correctly | |
| 16:13:11 | elmiko | for 1 week, 1400 seems about right | |
| 16:13:23 | elmiko | but i mean, it's not like that hotel is "downtown" | |
| 16:13:35 | dtantsur | well, wait | |
| 16:13:45 | dtantsur | this is a different place now, not the choo-choo hotel | |
| 16:13:50 | elmiko | oooh, ok | |
| 16:13:56 | elmiko | i thought it was the same | |
| 16:13:58 | gtema | Hyat | |
| 16:13:58 | dtantsur | it IS downtown, like very-very fancy downtown | |
| 16:14:11 | dtantsur | right | |
| 16:14:18 | edleafe | yeah, no trains for the Train summit | |
| 16:14:22 | elmiko | alright then, that seems more "reasonable" XD | |
| 16:15:23 | gtema | are there any additional discounts available? I get only 250$ per night | |
| 16:17:45 | gtema | wow, just recognized. If I am departing on 27.04 I am there on 28.04, so I need only 7 days, and not 8. Whew, -250$ | |
| 16:17:58 | elmiko | \o/ | |
| 16:19:48 | dtantsur | gtema: depends on your flight, but usually road to the west is the same day | |
| 16:20:17 | gtema | yes, you are right. Checking math of my daughter confused me. Hi-hi | |
| 16:20:26 | gtema | so back to 8 nights | |
| 16:21:42 | elmiko | /o\ | |
| 16:21:54 | edleafe | I added an item to the agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | |
| 16:22:09 | edleafe | "Discuss the advice on setting tags on existing resources. Why should that be a separate call? See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/642497/1/guidelines/tags.rst@141 for the background discussion. | |
| 16:22:29 | dtantsur | ah, that patch I was too lazy to review :) | |
| 16:23:17 | edleafe | Basically, it comes down to: why do tags need a distinct endpoint to be set? Why can't they be treated like any other attribute of a resource | |
| 16:23:18 | gtema | and I had absolutely no time to make a patch for keystone region configuration. Spending the whole day on the phone or writing emails | |
| 16:23:42 | elmiko | edleafe: that seems entirely reasonable to me, on the surface | |
| 16:24:22 | dtantsur | edleafe: it may depend on the exact API, I guess? | |
| 16:24:28 | dtantsur | if tags are just a field of an object - fine | |
| 16:24:59 | dtantsur | if you can do something like PUT /v1/bananas/b1/tags/VERY_TASTY, it's a bit different story | |
| 16:25:15 | gtema | I also dislike requirement to PUT tags in a separate call and sometimes need to fetch them separately | |
| 16:25:17 | elmiko | that latter style seems painful to some part of me | |
| 16:25:58 | edleafe | dtantsur: it's PUT /resouce/{id}/tags with a body containing the list of tags | |
| 16:26:21 | dtantsur | edleafe: then I agree with you | |
| 16:26:51 | edleafe | I'm not understanding why tags were considered special in the first place as far as URIs are concerned. The guidance about tag limitations make sense | |
| 16:27:38 | edleafe | Does anyone here know Miguel Grinberg? Git blame shows him as the primary author of that guideline | |
| 16:28:06 | dtantsur | The first time I hear this name | |
| 16:28:15 | elmiko | i know him | |
| 16:28:54 | elmiko | he was active in the "wg" when we first started, pretty sure you might have met him at one of those meetings edleafe | |
| 16:29:07 | elmiko | he's also highly active in the flask community | |
| 16:29:56 | edleafe | elmiko: do you recall any of the discussions about tag URIs? | |
| 16:30:38 | elmiko | edleafe: only very vaguely, dtantsur callout of the `PUT /v1/bananas/b1/tags/VERY_TASTY` kicks some dust, but not enough | |
| 16:31:15 | elmiko | fwiw, i tend to agree with the discussion now about making this like a normal resource update | |
| 16:32:22 | gtema | I would prefer if both ways work: normal resource op and a separate | |
| 16:32:59 | edleafe | Here is the original patch that created that guideline: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155620/1/guidelines/tags.rst@15 | |
| 16:33:06 | elmiko | as far as guidance goes, i like the idea of prescribing the normal resource op, but not making that the /only/ option | |
| 16:33:16 | edleafe | well, ignore the @15 part | |
| 16:33:55 | edleafe | but it seems that the idea was to give the ability to set and delete individual tags using /resource/{id}/tags/foo | |
| 16:34:04 | edleafe | with no body | |