| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2026-09-14 | |||
| 10:25:41 | sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: tldr debian now has setuptools 84 so paste is broken | |
| 10:26:16 | sean-k-mooney | since it still uses pkg_resources so without your repacaging or another one 2026.2 wont work on debian | |
| 10:26:27 | stephenfin | paste uses pkg_resources/entry points? | |
| 10:26:48 | stephenfin | what does it need to scan entry points for? | |
| 10:27:46 | sean-k-mooney | i dont knwo the details i just read the mail tread that was started at teh weekend | |
| 10:28:22 | stephenfin | ugh https://github.com/Pylons/pastedeploy/blob/81b3c1614a726544fd93c2c2974174cb35d83035/setup.cfg#L70 | |
| 10:28:35 | sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/Pylons/pastedeploy/blob/81b3c1614a726544fd93c2c2974174cb35d83035/src/paste/__init__.py#L4 | |
| 10:28:53 | stephenfin | we need abot 5% of what paste/paste deploy gives us | |
| 10:28:58 | stephenfin | *about | |
| 10:29:07 | sean-k-mooney | if that but ya | |
| 10:29:44 | sean-k-mooney | zigo: so the workaround is for nwo use standard-pkg-resources to provide pkg_resouces | |
| 10:29:59 | sean-k-mooney | until we can fix this properly | |
| 10:35:30 | gibi | sean-k-mooney: could you take a look at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-vif/+/1005496 ? ralonsoh suggest it as an RC2 trigger. cc Uggla | |
| 10:37:59 | sean-k-mooney | we can do that i guess, it can be worked aroudn at the hsot sleve asl weoll | |
| 10:38:01 | sean-k-mooney | but sure | |
| 10:38:19 | ralonsoh | thanks! | |
| 10:38:48 | sean-k-mooney | the release note is slitlgy incorect | |
| 10:39:02 | sean-k-mooney | ovs_create_tap is used for ml2/ovs and ml2/ovn | |
| 10:39:34 | sean-k-mooney | so "Open vSwitch plugin" implies the former not both | |
| 10:39:41 | sean-k-mooney | butthats minor | |
| 10:39:49 | ralonsoh | right | |
| 10:45:27 | sean-k-mooney | ralonsoh: gibi wehter we do an rc2 for this is debatable | |
| 10:45:39 | sean-k-mooney | its not a regression intoduced in this release | |
| 10:45:56 | sean-k-mooney | ovs_create_tap was added in 2026.1 so this feels more like a normal bug | |
| 10:46:09 | sean-k-mooney | that we would just backprot and release as normal | |
| 10:46:13 | ralonsoh | well, we change the default value. But yes, it was in 2026.1 | |
| 10:46:22 | ralonsoh | we changed* | |
| 10:46:41 | sean-k-mooney | ya i guess we coudl codnier it a caindiate due to the neutron defualt change | |
| 10:47:11 | gibi | I guess we can make a decision on the IRC meeting today having wider core presence | |
| 10:47:16 | sean-k-mooney | ok i approved it and noted teh 2 workarounds | |
| 10:48:10 | sean-k-mooney | yep in either case we will want to backport this to 2026.1 | |
| 10:49:14 | sean-k-mooney | so once it emerges we can do that and then just deceid fo we do a early release of os-vif or not | |
| 10:49:18 | sean-k-mooney | os-vif is cycle-with-intermediary | |
| 10:49:24 | sean-k-mooney | so we can do a release at any time | |
| 10:49:31 | sean-k-mooney | its not cycle-with-RC | |
| 10:49:37 | sean-k-mooney | so it technially does not have RCs | |
| 10:49:50 | gibi | do we need a requirements bump? | |
| 10:49:57 | gibi | to consume the new os-vif? | |
| 10:50:01 | sean-k-mooney | the question is more if we do the release does it quiaalfy for a requiements freeze | |
| 10:50:07 | sean-k-mooney | gibi: yes | |
| 10:50:29 | sean-k-mooney | gibi: that is what is relevent in this case will the release team accpaet a requirement freeze excption | |
| 10:50:48 | sean-k-mooney | but we can just do a 5.2.2 release at any time | |
| 10:51:01 | sean-k-mooney | it shoudl eventualy get into stable | |
| 10:51:20 | sean-k-mooney | it just might take a while master is already 2027.1 for os-vif | |
| 10:51:27 | sean-k-mooney | so it will need a backport to stabel regardless | |
| 10:51:58 | gibi | cc elodilles ^^ | |
| 10:52:24 | sean-k-mooney | im basing those number on https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/deliverables/hibiscus/os-vif.yaml | |
| 10:52:46 | sean-k-mooney | the first release of 2027.1 woudl be 5.3.0 or higher | |
| 10:57:21 | sean-k-mooney | gibi: ralonsoh: for what its worht i woudl not bother bumping nova or neutrons min os-vif for this | |
| 10:57:34 | sean-k-mooney | we may want to do that in 2027.1 jsut ebcause its been a while | |
| 10:58:22 | sean-k-mooney | but for 2026.2 this is a nice to have with host level workaround such as disabling ipv6 link local adresss asignemtn vai udev or sysctl | |
| 10:58:59 | sean-k-mooney | so while i agree its an imporntat optimization it shoudl not hold up the release | |
| 10:59:27 | sean-k-mooney | ralonsoh: do you know if libvirt used to do this for us by the way? | |
| 11:10:24 | zigo | sean-k-mooney: The removal of pkg_resources happened in Debian on the 11th, which is the day of the RC1. Setuptools 84 was uploaded to Unstable. But I think I nearly recovered from it. From where is pkg_resources needed ? I can't see any trace of it in Nova with a grep. | |
| 11:10:50 | zigo | I'd rather *not* use a replacement for it and fix the issue. | |
| 11:11:03 | sean-k-mooney | zigo: paste uses it | |
| 11:11:26 | sean-k-mooney | https://github.com/Pylons/pastedeploy/blob/main/src/paste/__init__.py | |
| 11:11:45 | sean-k-mooney | do declare a namespace package and some extention loading for the middleware | |
| 11:11:53 | zigo | sean-k-mooney: Ah, yeah, I have pending debian patches for it. | |
| 11:12:05 | zigo | I'll fix paste, and try again. | |
| 11:14:13 | sean-k-mooney | zigo: i didnt see an upstream pr for that by the way | |
| 11:14:22 | sean-k-mooney | are you planning to fix it in pastedeploy itself | |
| 11:14:33 | zigo | I will try. | |
| 11:15:01 | sean-k-mooney | we are currently creating oru downstream build artifact as well | |
| 11:15:26 | sean-k-mooney | so we will have to fix this in some way but not sure the best path for now | |
| 11:15:44 | zigo | I have this one already: https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/pastescript/-/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/do-not-use-pkg_resource.patch?ref_type=heads | |
| 11:19:07 | sean-k-mooney | we are movign to building everythign directly form souce without downstream patches were possibel | |
| 11:19:14 | sean-k-mooney | so far we have avoided any | |
| 11:41:56 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova master: Update master for stable/2026.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1005514 | |
| 12:00:06 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/os-vif master: ovs: disable IPv6 on taps created by create_tap before bringing them up https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-vif/+/1005496 | |
| 12:01:52 | elodilles | gibi: sean-k-mooney: ralonsoh: so about os-vif: it's a library, doesn't have RCs. so it can be released anytime, yes. but since we are in lib freeze already, we should avoid releasing. it's not impossible, but should be avoided. (note that requirements still not branched to stable/2026.2; but if we release, then we need to negotiate with *Requirements* team that the bump can be done). | |
| 12:01:58 | elodilles | nevertheless, if the bug is not release critical (it exists since 2026.1 release, so i guess not), then we can wait and release AFTER the official coordinated 2026.2 Hibiscus release, let's say, one week after that, early October. | |
| 12:02:38 | sean-k-mooney | elodilles: well the lib freeze is over | |
| 12:02:58 | sean-k-mooney | at least on master | |
| 12:03:08 | sean-k-mooney | but i guess its still in place for stable 2026.2 | |
| 12:03:16 | sean-k-mooney | until that actully has it offical release | |
| 12:03:42 | sean-k-mooney | i personally dont think we need to rush a master release | |
| 12:04:02 | sean-k-mooney | we can propsoe the backport to stable and do a release as you say in early october | |
| 12:04:11 | elodilles | about backportability: it's again a nova team decision. if the team decides, that the bug fix is so important, that it needs to be backported despite the 'default config change', then it can work as an "exception in the process", though, i'd rather backport it without default value change AND notify the users that the value should be changed to avoid XY bug. that is less destructive IMHO | |
| 12:04:56 | sean-k-mooney | well the default change in behvior here is not really a considertaion | |
| 12:05:04 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2026.2: Update .gitreview for stable/2026.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1005512 | |
| 12:05:06 | sean-k-mooney | we are accpatign this as a bug in the bevhior and its not configurabel | |
| 12:05:13 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/nova stable/2026.2: Update TOX_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/2026.2 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/1005513 | |
| 12:05:59 | sean-k-mooney | elodilles: the tap devices really shoudl nto have any ip assigned when used with ovs period | |
| 12:06:07 | sean-k-mooney | on the host side | |
| 12:06:18 | sean-k-mooney | so if they have link local adresses or similar that a bug | |
| 12:06:31 | sean-k-mooney | and possibly a regresssion vs libvirt depening on what its actual beahvior was | |
| 12:06:55 | sean-k-mooney | we have fix similar issues in the past | |
| 12:06:59 | sean-k-mooney | without an expction | |
| 12:07:03 | elodilles | sean-k-mooney: i think lib freeze is in place as long as openstack/requirements is not branched. (i just came back from summit and haven't had the chance to catch up on all things, so I have to check what's the state of things) | |
| 12:07:19 | sean-k-mooney | oh requiremetn has not branched yet | |
| 12:07:25 | sean-k-mooney | i tought that happend on firday | |
| 12:07:47 | sean-k-mooney | ah your right not yet | |
| 12:10:26 | elodilles | sean-k-mooney: by exception here i mean, that "we should avoid things based on stable policy, but the team decides, that despite it's against the policy, the team accepts to backport it anyway" o:) | |
| 12:10:52 | sean-k-mooney | right but that only applies to configable changes | |
| 12:11:04 | sean-k-mooney | we whoudl not avoid fixign broken behvior in a backport | |
| 12:11:36 | elodilles | +1 | |
| 12:12:01 | sean-k-mooney | nova/libvirt has historcally disbaled thing like this in verias code paths | |
| 12:12:29 | sean-k-mooney | the issue here is we are movign the management form libvirt to os-vif and there is a default change in neutron that expsoes the behvior delta | |
| 12:12:48 | sean-k-mooney | we added the fucntionatly in os-vif last cycel but we defautled to the old behvior | |