| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2025-08-27 | |||
| 18:12:25 | sean-k-mooney | whoami-rajat_: exactly | |
| 18:12:49 | whoami-rajat_ | yeah there was no use case for glance so we never did it | |
| 18:13:03 | whoami-rajat_ | so what would be the next steps here? | |
| 18:13:14 | whoami-rajat_ | Cinder can't really adopt the new location APIs then, at least in 2025.2 | |
| 18:13:49 | sean-k-mooney | the best outcome woudl be to add a new galnce section adn fallback to the keystone_auth or service_user section when not defiend | |
| 18:13:50 | whoami-rajat_ | if we revert the glance changes ^ which i think now is right to do | |
| 18:13:55 | gmaan | whoami-rajat_: sean-k-mooney before going to next step, I would like to know how it was working in stable/2024.2 where glance policy is same as sean-k-mooney revert and cinder failing in revert - https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/stable/2024.2/glance/policies/base.py#L114 | |
| 18:13:59 | sean-k-mooney | both of those will have the corect roels | |
| 18:14:25 | whoami-rajat_ | in 2024.2, we didn't adopt the location APIs | |
| 18:14:38 | gmaan | ohh | |
| 18:14:40 | whoami-rajat_ | so the feature in glance was merged in 2024.2 but we adopted it in 2025.2 (we=nova and cinder) | |
| 18:14:45 | gmaan | got it | |
| 18:15:12 | sean-k-mooney | the nova change mergd before the glance plicy change however right | |
| 18:15:18 | whoami-rajat_ | yes | |
| 18:15:26 | whoami-rajat_ | the policy change is recent, last week | |
| 18:15:27 | gmaan | best way to not break user and provide option to adopt new way also can be: | |
| 18:15:32 | sean-k-mooney | nova worked because we had an "admin" client | |
| 18:15:43 | sean-k-mooney | with the service role to use | |
| 18:16:03 | gmaan | 1. modify glance policy to service + admin right : this will allow cinder talk to glance with user token as it is currently | |
| 18:16:37 | gmaan | 2. add keystoneauth service user conf option in glance section in cinder.conf | |
| 18:16:51 | gmaan | 3. cinder pass that service user to glance which has service role | |
| 18:17:12 | gmaan | 4. ask operator to configure the same in their deployment via releasenotes or doc | |
| 18:17:32 | whoami-rajat_ | 3 and 4 could be the same cinder patch, which i can work on | |
| 18:17:44 | gmaan | 5, once we know operator are ok (or at least after one SLURP), make glance API to role:service only | |
| 18:18:08 | whoami-rajat_ | sounds good to me | |
| 18:18:43 | sean-k-mooney | that effectivly what we are doing in the nvoa changes for the external events api ectrs | |
| 18:19:01 | gmaan | yes, even we have the service user config option available for so ling | |
| 18:19:03 | sean-k-mooney | so yes i think thiat is the correc approch as well | |
| 18:19:19 | whoami-rajat_ | and if possible, can we document all the details we've discussed here in some RBAC doc, it's really confusing to know the "right" way to adopt a new thing like SRBAC which created the confusion for me at least | |
| 18:19:45 | gmaan | whoami-rajat_: I can propose the changes if you are ok and help in review? bit if you want to do that also fine | |
| 18:19:58 | sean-k-mooney | one thing to note | |
| 18:20:19 | sean-k-mooney | yuo can achive the same effect without have per service config seciton with auth info | |
| 18:20:34 | whoami-rajat_ | gmaan, sure, that will be faster as i can be one of the cores approving things | |
| 18:20:34 | sean-k-mooney | nova's approch si way more flexible and i think cleaner | |
| 18:20:37 | gmaan | whoami-rajat_: yeah, agree. that is my bad not to have proper doc for service role until I started working on those in nova, But I will do that as part of RBAC goal champion | |
| 18:20:42 | gmaan | whoami-rajat_: cool | |
| 18:21:03 | sean-k-mooney | but watcher ueses the keyston_authoken user/password for all service eclients | |
| 18:21:46 | sean-k-mooney | im not sayint that ig the correct thing to do but you already need a cinder user in that section and it should have the service role | |
| 18:21:57 | gmaan | sean-k-mooney: yeah, we can do that but we need to formalize that in most of the services. and I am not sure if there are use case of per service user permission in any demployment or they are ok with same user for all serviecsd | |
| 18:22:20 | sean-k-mooney | i think we shoudl not make that default | |
| 18:22:26 | gmaan | nova also has per service config users | |
| 18:22:33 | sean-k-mooney | having a per service config section i think is better | |
| 18:22:47 | sean-k-mooney | but you could have one fallback to the other if not configured | |
| 18:22:47 | gmaan | yeah, do not know what use we can break | |
| 18:23:06 | gmaan | ok, let me propose the changes today and will add you both as reviewer. | |
| 18:23:35 | gmaan | sean-k-mooney: you want me to do it in your glance revert or separate one as this is more than revert and add admin right also with serviec role? | |
| 18:24:20 | sean-k-mooney | gmaan: that valid. i have alreayd modifed it once. its up to you if you want to review the review/changeid go for ti | |
| 18:24:21 | whoami-rajat_ | modifications in the revert might not be clean and confuse people doing blame in the future, can we go for a new patch? | |
| 18:24:30 | sean-k-mooney | otherwise i can abandon it in favor of yours | |
| 18:25:08 | whoami-rajat_ | gmaan, just to be sure, you will be working on the cinder patch as well right? to use [glance] config section | |
| 18:25:18 | gmaan | ok let's do with new patch | |
| 18:25:43 | gmaan | whoami-rajat_: yes, whole series + devstack one and testing it together like I did for nova | |
| 18:25:51 | whoami-rajat_ | okay, thanks! | |
| 18:26:58 | whoami-rajat_ | thanks again gmaan and sean-k-mooney for the details, I will go now, let me know when the glance and cinder patches are ready and i can help in merging them | |
| 18:27:14 | gmaan | thanks, might be late for you | |
| 18:28:42 | whoami-rajat_ | generally I've stopped working late now but this was important so :D | |
| 18:28:45 | whoami-rajat_ | thanks again! | |
| 18:29:15 | gmaan | good for you :) | |
| 19:10:44 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: so im more or less +w but before i hit it do you want to make this chagne https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/placement/+/945465/comment/b1e034dd_f7b0b442/ or will i just approve as is | |
| 19:12:16 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: the wrodign change is defintly minor enouch that i dont think it needs a respon and gibi resolved there nit when they +2'd | |
| 19:13:04 | sean-k-mooney | so in the absence of a prefence one way or another ill add +w before i finish for today | |
| 19:13:10 | sean-k-mooney | but jsut said i woudl ask | |
| 19:13:12 | dansmith | yeah, I dunno, I remember trying to figure out what to say there.. "does not increase existing overage" sounds a bit weird to me, even though I know what you mean | |
| 19:13:36 | dansmith | my preference is to +W so the code is right, and we can FUP the log text if we want | |
| 19:13:37 | sean-k-mooney | ya same that waws the second time i wrote that | |
| 19:13:50 | sean-k-mooney | ack ill do that so | |
| 19:15:04 | sean-k-mooney | done ok im going to try and finsin in the next 15 mins or so. i assume your going to backport those at some point | |
| 19:16:09 | sean-k-mooney | it could be nice to include that in 2024.1 before it goes unmaintained but that wont happen until 2025.2 is released so there si a little time still | |
| 19:25:48 | dansmith | yeah, should be backported | |
| 19:26:08 | dansmith | I guess I dunno how far it really needs, I was thinking just to 2025.1 | |
| 19:27:14 | opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/nova master: Add service role in Nova policy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/957578 | |
| 19:27:43 | sean-k-mooney | i woudl say what is ever open when you get aroudn to it but 2025.1 is a good baseline | |
| 19:28:05 | sean-k-mooney | by open i mean still stable/* | |
| 19:32:28 | sean-k-mooney | gmaan: same question to you https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/957578/comment/2b782393_1a20e07c/ | |
| 19:32:57 | opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/nova master: Add service role in Nova policy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/957578 | |
| 19:33:53 | sean-k-mooney | im +2 i can +w but if you feel like adressing the final nit then im ok with fast approving or having dan proxy | |
| 19:34:14 | opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/nova master: Add service role in Nova policy https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/957578 | |
| 19:34:30 | gmaan | dansmith: sean-k-mooney ^^ updated, I need to fix api-ref failure also. so this is updated one now | |
| 19:34:39 | sean-k-mooney | ah yes stephsn sample split patch merged | |
| 19:34:48 | gmaan | yeah :) | |
| 19:35:10 | sean-k-mooney | i was wonderign what the prior conflict was | |
| 19:47:17 | gmaan | dansmith: sean-k-mooney thanks. can you please review this devstack change also which is needed but tempest service role tests https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/devstack/+/958612 | |
| 19:51:56 | sean-k-mooney | im actully going to finish reviewing the first change in the sev serice but yes i can aftger | |
| 19:52:04 | sean-k-mooney | then ill call it a day. | |
| 19:52:28 | sean-k-mooney | my priorty tomorrwo will be to try and finish hte sev serise adn maybe the provider.yaml one | |
| 19:53:12 | gmaan | thanks | |
| 19:53:19 | sean-k-mooney | ok its litrally jsut adding thr service role | |
| 19:53:32 | gmaan | yeah, quick one :) | |
| 19:53:50 | sean-k-mooney | im +2 bnut shoud there be a comment above | |
| 19:54:04 | sean-k-mooney | or shoudl you also mention that the service role is added in 2025.2 | |
| 19:54:17 | sean-k-mooney | basicly im wonderign why you left the first comment | |
| 19:54:53 | gmaan | i might just missed that, i can fix later once touching that file for related things | |
| 19:55:03 | sean-k-mooney | ack | |
| 19:55:15 | sean-k-mooney | i was just wonderign is there a convention that i shoudl be reviewing for | |
| 19:55:53 | sean-k-mooney | like in nova-next we sometime add comment when testing a future default so we know we can drop it form the job when it actully becomes the default | |
| 19:56:20 | sean-k-mooney | is noting the manager role so you can knwo when tempst can depend on it ? | |
| 19:56:56 | gmaan | yeah, that is helpful specially to know when to drop those things once they are in all supported releases | |
| 19:57:08 | sean-k-mooney | ack | |
| 20:18:19 | sean-k-mooney | ok first patch doen and it looks ok but i defintly dont have the brain power to go deeper in teh sev series today | |
| 20:18:30 | sean-k-mooney | ill try an complete it tomorrow | |