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#openstack-nova - 2025-07-01
17:26:44 sean-k-mooney Uggla: i personaly woudl mark it opipion
17:27:13 sean-k-mooney its not invalid i just think we would be better limiting the scope of the doc
17:28:31 sean-k-mooney we do not incldue it in the ubuntu ones either for what its worht
17:28:37 sean-k-mooney so it not a disto specific gap
17:28:50 sean-k-mooney we just doing docuemtn how to install rabbit in the nvoa guide
17:29:09 sean-k-mooney we tell you to configure the transport url transport_url = rabbit://openstack:RABBIT_PASS@controller:5672/
17:29:14 sean-k-mooney but that is reaonable
17:29:52 sean-k-mooney we coudl add a note to the prequistit section to say that rabbit must be installed adn aviable
17:29:58 sean-k-mooney but i would not say how to do that
17:31:33 Uggla ok I will try to answer in this way tomorrow morning.
17:32:26 sean-k-mooney so i mentioned im furstrated, there has been a number of new contiubotrs filing lots of small bugs for the install guide and submiting pathce for them
17:32:45 sean-k-mooney whil that is not a bad thign persay there has been no dicussion or cordiantion about this effort in genral
17:33:07 sean-k-mooney so it kind of feels lke some owne said to a bunch of interns ehre is a good way to do a first patch
17:33:17 sean-k-mooney but didnt actully talk to use about it first
17:33:33 sean-k-mooney im exagreating a bit
17:34:47 sean-k-mooney but that sort of how it feels, a buch of lower pririty bugs were created and folks are fixign them but no dicsussion of do we have time to review it
17:37:10 Uggla ok but in this case there is no patch attached too. Or I miss something.
17:38:00 sean-k-mooney no i just went out of my way to do some reviews in this area a while ago and sort of got burt out on it
17:39:05 Uggla ok
17:39:19 sean-k-mooney im fine with fixing the docs in general and if they want to add a patch to add it as a preqeusit for all distos then ok but i dont wnat to need to keep updating how to install rabbit if we can avoid it
17:40:56 sean-k-mooney https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938702
17:41:32 sean-k-mooney so there is a patch for it a diffent bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/2091585
17:41:45 sean-k-mooney so we proably shoudl clsoe the new one as a duplicate of that one
17:42:44 sean-k-mooney ill just do that now if there is no objetion we do not need two bugs for that
17:44:20 sean-k-mooney there is apprenly a commen guide that covers the install we can just link too https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/environment-messaging-rdo.html
17:44:53 sean-k-mooney there is a ubuntu version too https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/environment-messaging-ubuntu.html
21:55:56 mikal E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
21:55:56 mikal qemu-utils (= 1:8.2.2+ds-0ubuntu1.7) but 1:8.2.2+ds-0ubuntu1.8 is to be installed
21:55:56 mikal qemu-block-extra : Depends: qemu-system-any (= 1:8.2.2+ds-0ubuntu1.7) or
21:55:56 mikal The following packages have unmet dependencies:
21:55:56 mikal At least the ceph CI error has changed this morning?
22:33:42 opendevreview Merged openstack/nova master: doc: Adding link for RabbitMQ installation during nova deployment on controller node. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/938702
#openstack-nova - 2025-07-02
06:44:01 r-taketn Hi cores. I would appreciate it if you could review the SEV-ES code(https://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22bp/amd-sev-es-libvirt-support%22) for the 2025.2 release. The SEV-ES code looks good to me. I apologize if this is already part of your review plan (https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2025.2-status#L88).
09:12:30 opendevreview Masahito Muroi proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add spec for virtio-blk multiqueue and iothreads extra_spec https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/951636
09:16:18 frickler mikal: looks like we might need to evict more pkgs from our mirror. or ubuntu needs to fix this be releasing pkgs with a bumped version
09:20:43 frickler oh, seems this was discussed in the glance channel already
09:38:38 mikal Oh, I'm not in the glance channel so I haven't seen that.
09:38:45 mikal Is there anything you need me to do?
09:44:41 frickler mikal: iiuc fungi was working on this, I'm not sure if the cleanup was completed already. do you still see new failures currently?
09:47:56 mikal I haven't tried for a few hours. Let me try again again now.
09:48:38 mikal Oh I lie, I kicked off a recheck an hour ago. Its still running. Results will be at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/926126 when they're done.
09:49:26 mikal In other questioins... I am unclear on what problem Glean is solving, apart from cloud-init being a bit big and complicated these days. Someone please to explain?
10:01:42 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Replace eventlet.event.Event with threading.Event https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/949754
10:02:43 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Replace eventlet.event.Event with threading.Event https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/949754
10:06:16 frickler mikal: yes, cloud-init pulls in a lot of python dependencies at the distro level, which may conflict with dependencies for OpenStack projects, which is why we try to avoid it for CI purposes
10:07:45 frickler also no failures so far, so looks like things might be fixed https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/status?change=926126
10:16:18 Uggla sean-k-mooney, gibi, I know you are busy, but It would be great if you can have a look at 951636: Add spec for virtio-blk multiqueue and iothreads extra_spec | https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/951636. masahito updated it and I reviewed it on my side. So there is still a chance to have this spec approved for this cycle.
10:21:25 sean-k-mooney hum ok,,, i was goign to write a differnt version of that spec(im 2/3rd of the way though) since i assuemd they were not going to update it at this point and i had some other ideas on how to do it
10:28:21 mikal frickler: that makes sense. So it's only intended for CI workloads? Config drive was meant to be gone by now...
10:31:31 gibi Uggla: left couple of questions ther
10:31:32 gibi e
11:03:17 opendevreview sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: support iothread for nova vms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/953940
11:03:31 sean-k-mooney that is my version of how to do that ^
11:24:32 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: FUP: Use futurist for _get_default_green_pool() https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953339
11:24:32 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: FUP: Translate scatter-gather to futurist https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953338
11:44:25 stephenfin bauzas: We're waiting for you on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/940440
11:56:33 frickler mikal: in the current state CI is the only remaining use I'm aware of, yes. is config drive deprecated? that's news to me
11:57:33 stephenfin gmaan: I've proposed deprecating the v2.0 API for now, and removing in 2 releases. That will cause keystoneauth and Gophercloud to ignore it by default during discovery which is a good first step
12:00:39 opendevreview Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Deprecate v2.0 API https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/951949
12:01:10 opendevreview sean mooney proposed openstack/nova-specs master: support iothread for nova vms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova-specs/+/953940
12:05:23 sean-k-mooney frickler: its not deprecated and we have no plans to remvoe it
12:05:34 gibi stephenfin: wasn't we deprecated v2.0 already in the past?
12:05:41 sean-k-mooney frickler: we even turn it on by default in our downstream installer
12:05:55 stephenfin gibi: It still reports SUPPORTED from the root API doc
12:06:12 sean-k-mooney mikal: we hyave no plans to remove config drive.
12:06:14 stephenfin so not from the API perspective, afaict
12:11:18 frickler sean-k-mooney: ah, thx for confirming
12:11:52 sean-k-mooney we did deprecate https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/configuration/config.html#DEFAULT.config_drive_format a while ago
12:12:06 sean-k-mooney but keepign vfat does tno really hurt so we never remvoed it
12:12:25 sean-k-mooney the plan was to only supprot isos onc ethe very very old libivrt bug was resolved
12:13:26 sean-k-mooney its one of those thing where until it brekas the effort to remove vfat support is not woth the gain
12:22:39 gibi stephenfin: ack, that is a bummer but the I agree to deprecate
12:23:14 fungi mikal: can you expand on what "config drive was meant to be gone by now" means? is there a better metadata source that doesn't depend on flaky/inconsistent networking or hard-coded addresses? see also the latest cloud-init security fix where using configdrive is literally the recommendation for non-x86 guests now
12:24:24 fungi the reason we use configdrive with glean is because network-supplied metadata has been pretty terrible in lots of clouds
12:24:26 gibi brace for impact...
12:24:31 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Add spawn_on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948079
12:24:32 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Move ConductorManager to use spawn_on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948187
12:24:32 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Move ComputeManager to use spawn_on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948186
12:24:33 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Rename DEFAULT_GREEN_POOL to DEFAULT_EXECUTOR https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948086
12:24:33 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Make nova.utils.pass_context private https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948188
12:24:34 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Print ThreadPool statistics https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948340
12:24:34 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Make the default executor configurable https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948087
12:24:35 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Allow services to start with threading https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948311
12:24:35 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Document native threading mode and tuneables https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/949364
12:24:37 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Do not yield in threading mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/950994
12:24:37 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Run nova-next with n-sch in threading mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/948450
12:24:39 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Run unit test with threading mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953475
12:24:39 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Allow to start unit test without eventlet https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953436
12:24:41 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: [test]RPC using threading or eventlet selectively https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953815
12:33:18 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Do not yield in threading mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/950994
12:33:19 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Warn on long task wait time for executor https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/952666
12:33:19 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Run nova-api and -metadata in threaded mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/951957
12:34:39 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Run unit test with threading mode https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953475
12:34:39 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: Allow to start unit test without eventlet https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953436
12:34:40 opendevreview Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova master: [test]RPC using threading or eventlet selectively https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/953815
12:34:48 gibi now sign-offs in place :)
12:38:22 opendevreview Kamil Sambor proposed openstack/nova master: Replace eventlet.event.Event with threading.Event https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/949754
12:47:26 sean-k-mooney fungi: there was discssion in the past to remove it a very long time ago, the reason we have kep it is for things like ironic or where you need to use metadata form the config drive to confirgure networkign before you can actully call the metadata api
12:48:01 sean-k-mooney there are also envionment where the metadta api is not deployed
12:48:44 sean-k-mooney or where its in accapble in specific neutron network toplogies like whne you are booted directly to an external network and you are not using ovn or dhcp

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