| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2025-04-03 | |||
| 13:37:20 | mnaser | Uuuuuugh | |
| 13:37:22 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: well last time i ask peole said they woudl take a look at the traits patch and didnt. gibi did look this time to give them credit | |
| 13:37:51 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: this is one of the large pices of technial debt with the ironic driver | |
| 13:37:59 | sean-k-mooney | its doign several things its not allowed to do | |
| 13:38:05 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: link me | |
| 13:38:10 | sean-k-mooney | including changign the vnic type ot baremetal | |
| 13:38:33 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: its no kind of blockd on use approving the specless blueprint which si now a ptg topic but sure on sec | |
| 13:39:21 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: okay well if I had realized I would have argued not to block my thing on another blocked thing, especially since "releases are cheap" :) | |
| 13:39:25 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: its https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-traits/+/940418 | |
| 13:40:08 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: we can wait till melwitt has a chance ot respond or till the ptg | |
| 13:40:26 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: anyway ill try and get to the OTU device tommorw or this evening | |
| 13:40:27 | dansmith | yeah, sounds like that's the best idea | |
| 13:41:01 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: i think port bidning is still done in nova. | |
| 13:41:33 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: if we can confirm that we may be able ot tweak plug_vifs to refesh the cache or soemthign like that to get the ip in teh defered case | |
| 13:41:46 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: but its kind of building one hack on top of anohter | |
| 13:42:09 | sean-k-mooney | unless we can do that in a common way in the compute manger of coruse | |
| 13:43:00 | mnaser | hmm yea | |
| 13:43:49 | mnaser | Do other drivers rely on compute manager to bind the ports? | |
| 13:44:01 | sean-k-mooney | yes | |
| 13:44:08 | sean-k-mooney | virt drivers are not allowed to do it | |
| 13:44:19 | sean-k-mooney | tehy can do port pluging | |
| 13:44:33 | sean-k-mooney | btu that a diffent thing | |
| 13:45:19 | sean-k-mooney | as i said the ironic dirver or ironci its self is doing thing that its not technailly allowed to do like modifyiing cidner volume attachmetn or neutron ports | |
| 13:45:24 | mnaser | I see, so then technically we should have a bound port at some point when we generate the config drive | |
| 13:45:51 | sean-k-mooney | i dont thinke we will | |
| 13:46:10 | mnaser | Like I know this sounds stupid but as a workaround for me now a sleep and a refresh of network info can potentially make the ip arrive? | |
| 13:46:13 | sean-k-mooney | because im not sure any of the prot groups stuff for the bonds will be done when we bind but i might be wrong | |
| 13:46:35 | mnaser | It doesn't matter since all I need is for the IPs to be there on the neutron port | |
| 13:46:40 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: ill point out that we never added supprot for l3 rounte network to the ironic driver in nova as far as i recall | |
| 13:47:08 | sean-k-mooney | we added some generic supprpot but it was never tested with ironic | |
| 13:47:21 | sean-k-mooney | and i doing think it was supproted in the nova spec | |
| 13:47:27 | mnaser | The ironic code even sorta handles the port group and maps it automatically | |
| 13:47:41 | mnaser | And updates the Mac address in the config | |
| 13:48:06 | mnaser | So I'm pretty sure if Nova manager binds it, we should be able to fix things if we wait? | |
| 13:49:28 | sean-k-mooney | i think we would have to call attach_interface to trigger that | |
| 13:49:53 | sean-k-mooney | port bidnign is the process of setting a binding:host on the neutron port to the hostname of the relvent host | |
| 13:50:02 | sean-k-mooney | that casuse the neutron ml2 driver to update the port | |
| 13:50:08 | sean-k-mooney | with extra data like the ip | |
| 13:50:53 | sean-k-mooney | however we dont know the mac adress of interface in nvoa unless we are looking that up form ironci or anytihng about the port groups again unless we are calling out to ironic | |
| 13:51:32 | sean-k-mooney | the ironic driver moved all fo that to ironic so they could have a singel code path for that in ironic for standaloen mode | |
| 13:52:07 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: a simpler way to do this might be to modify ironic to just update the content of the config drive wehn it does all the networking setup | |
| 13:52:46 | sean-k-mooney | that doubling down on the wrong behavior but if they are modifying networkhing out of band then updating the metadta to reflect that makes sense | |
| 13:54:17 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: https://meetings.opendev.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2025-04-01.log.html#t2025-04-01T14:09:06 | |
| 13:54:50 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: to be fair, you were talking to gibi not me.. I did show up a few minutes later (first thing in the morning) asking gibi a question about a gerrit review, but I obviously didn't read back the scroll there | |
| 13:55:16 | sean-k-mooney | ya thats fair. | |
| 13:55:50 | sean-k-mooney | i expected Uggla to rely that into the release patch | |
| 13:56:11 | dansmith | also, what's not fair is how hard it is to grep logs for something sean-k-mooney said.. "grep sean-k-mooney.*release 2025*.log" .. no results :D | |
| 13:56:41 | sean-k-mooney | :) there use to be a hound instnace that someone ran that had all the irc logs | |
| 13:56:48 | sean-k-mooney | liek 8-10 year ago | |
| 13:56:54 | sean-k-mooney | it was kind of nice to be able to find thing | |
| 13:56:56 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: honestly, every time I add something to os-traits I get really upset about how incredibly silly the process is that we've designed for getting string constants into nova | |
| 13:57:09 | sean-k-mooney | ya | |
| 13:57:27 | sean-k-mooney | so that was added by mikal as a ptg topic | |
| 13:57:33 | sean-k-mooney | askign if we can avoid the dance somehow | |
| 13:57:34 | dansmith | write nova patch, write os-traits patch, merge os-traits, release os-traits, merge upper-constraints, bump requirements.. only then can you go back to the first step and run tests on the nova patch :( | |
| 13:57:46 | sean-k-mooney | we coudl have nova just create the standard traits on start up if not present | |
| 13:58:02 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: I proposed this per gmann to cut out one step at least https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/946183 | |
| 13:58:31 | sean-k-mooney | hum that could help | |
| 13:58:45 | dansmith | feel free to +1 to show your support :D | |
| 13:58:46 | sean-k-mooney | we stil have an annoying coupleing dance with placeemtn too | |
| 13:59:06 | sean-k-mooney | this applies to os-ressouce classes too. | |
| 13:59:07 | dansmith | yes, honestly we should just squash placement and os-traits back into nova to solve it for good :D | |
| 13:59:40 | sean-k-mooney | well we solve it for us. but then we force neutorn et all to land a patch to nova to add a triat | |
| 14:00:07 | sean-k-mooney | what i was consdiring is allowing anytihng with a service role to add standard traits via the api | |
| 14:00:11 | dansmith | ...which is still less work than they have to do currently with os-traits, releases, requirements, etc :) | |
| 14:00:29 | dansmith | idk, that's a much larger step | |
| 14:00:55 | sean-k-mooney | it is | |
| 14:01:09 | sean-k-mooney | the other thing i codnered was sevador plugin | |
| 14:01:24 | sean-k-mooney | i.e. have an entry poirnt for addign traits | |
| 14:01:29 | sean-k-mooney | btu that feel more complex | |
| 14:02:47 | sean-k-mooney | dansmith: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/nova-2025.2-ptg#L235 that where mikal still expressed there furstration with the current workflow | |
| 14:03:46 | dansmith | that's sort of a different complaint, but yeahj | |
| 14:09:27 | opendevreview | Masahito Muroi proposed openstack/nova master: Use dict object for request_specs_dict in the _list_view https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/939658 | |
| 14:11:29 | mnaser | sean-k-mooney: this all seems to be an ironic issue for now at the moment so maybe i'll take that there but thank you | |
| 14:12:39 | sean-k-mooney | mnaser: ack, we do have a related issue with the generic code path for port that never have ip adress | |
| 14:12:48 | sean-k-mooney | but that technially a differnt bug | |
| 14:13:28 | sean-k-mooney | we shoudl be providing the mac info from neutron if the ip_allcoation policy is none but that is nto what happens today | |
| 15:08:17 | dansmith | Uggla: by the way, on the otu session you scheduled.. even if we don't need to discuss otu specifically, we can discuss the placement bug fix that is related to it (and migration while over capacity) | |
| 15:08:30 | dansmith | that may be contentious (not sure) but might benefit from discussion at least | |
| 15:10:01 | Uggla | dansmith, sure. I will add a note about it. | |
| 15:10:03 | gibi | +1 to mention that | |
| 15:11:34 | sean-k-mooney | i think tehre are enough bugs related to it that it would be contorvisal | |
| 15:11:44 | sean-k-mooney | but sure good to highlight it in general | |
| 15:11:59 | dansmith | sean-k-mooney: ? | |
| 15:12:06 | sean-k-mooney | the placement bug fix | |
| 15:12:18 | sean-k-mooney | like we have at least 3 bugs form diffent people related to it | |
| 15:12:22 | dansmith | "enough bugs" makes it controversial? | |
| 15:12:40 | sean-k-mooney | sorry not controversial | |
| 15:13:00 | dansmith | ah | |
| 15:13:49 | sean-k-mooney | the approch to fixign it might be, i dont know but the fact the current bavhior is surpising to poeple is demonstarted by the exising bug reports | |
| 15:14:23 | dansmith | right, I meant the actual approach might be controversial | |
| 15:14:35 | dansmith | but I'd definitely like the opportunity to make my case for why I think this approach is the right one | |
| 15:14:56 | sean-k-mooney | i dont really see many other options to fixing it that would be backportable so that a vote in favor of the appoch | |
| 15:15:07 | sean-k-mooney | but ya lets see what others think next week | |
| 15:15:38 | dansmith | yeah, I agree of course.. but people may have religious/idealistic objections, idk | |
| 15:15:52 | sean-k-mooney | as an aside i might call it soon. im feellign progressively worse. soim going to take some panadol and get a hot drink if that does nto help ill call it a day | |
| 15:16:28 | dansmith | ack, melwitt just approved the traits patch | |
| 15:18:00 | opendevreview | Merged openstack/os-traits master: Add traits for sound and USB devices on instances. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/os-traits/+/940418 | |
| 15:24:51 | sean-k-mooney | cool melwitt ++ | |
| 15:31:31 | melwitt | sean-k-mooney: just in case you missed it, from your comment I added a repro func test under this and also a reno https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/880399 | |