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#openstack-nova - 2021-12-07
16:42:18 bauzas #topic Sub/related team Highlights
16:42:22 bauzas Libvirt (lyarwood)
16:42:27 bauzas nothing special to mention ?
16:42:43 lyarwood Nothing from me this week, FWIW we will need a new owner for this point in the future.
16:42:49 lyarwood I'll talk about that more later
16:43:03 bauzas you're right
16:43:12 bauzas or,
16:43:22 bauzas not sure we still need to have a subteam
16:43:37 bauzas given afaik only lee and me work on this :)
16:43:38 lyarwood Either or, it's up to the remaining team
16:43:46 bauzas who's teamed up ?
16:44:12 bauzas anyway, we could make a call at next meeting
16:44:15 lyarwood I mean the wider Nova team ;)
16:45:10 bauzas ahah
16:46:43 bauzas anyway, last topic
16:46:48 bauzas #topic Open discussion
16:46:53 bauzas (bauzas) Holiday period and nova audience for both reviews and meetings
16:47:07 bauzas so, we'll have less people around in the last weeks of Dec
16:48:17 sean-k-mooney i expect other then perhaps alex there will likely be no? cores around for the last 2 weeks
16:48:30 bauzas I dunnoi
16:48:35 gibi I will be off from 20th
16:48:36 bauzas we can discuss if people want
16:48:42 gibi and back at 10th
16:49:22 sean-k-mooney 17th -> 4th in my case.
16:49:34 bauzas ok, Dec 21 -> Jan 3rd for me
16:49:36 sean-k-mooney i dont think we really need to spend much time on it
16:49:47 gmann I will be on and off during last week dec
16:49:58 sean-k-mooney i assume we are going to cancel meetings for the last 2 weeks
16:49:58 lyarwood 17th -> 4th here also
16:50:15 sean-k-mooney the 21th and 28th
16:50:18 bauzas sean-k-mooney: yeah I was about to propose to cancel the meetings
16:50:28 gibi agree with cancelling those
16:50:30 elodilles (20th -> 4th)
16:50:53 gmann +1 on canceling
16:51:06 elodilles ++
16:51:10 sean-k-mooney unless there is an object i would suggest just sending a mail to the list to inform those that are not here
16:51:18 gmann 21 and 28 one right?
16:51:24 bauzas correct
16:51:29 gmann k
16:52:20 bauzas ok, looks like we have an agreement
16:53:02 bauzas #agreed Cancel Dec 21th and Dec 28th nova meetings given there are less audience
16:53:13 bauzas I'll write an email about it
16:53:56 bauzas and thanks for providing your time-offs, appreciated.
16:54:14 bauzas we can look at this meeting' notes to remember when people are around
16:54:43 bauzas last item on our agenda,
16:54:51 bauzas (pslestang) Specless BP approval request for soft deleting instance action
16:54:59 bauzas pslestang: your turn
16:55:07 pslestang sure
16:56:14 pslestang so at OVH we do not use the restore instance feature and we would like the instance action do be soft deleted when an instance is soft deleted, this is why we propose to add a configuration option to soft delete instance action on instance soft delete
16:56:29 bauzas this one, I'm OK with a specless BP
16:56:30 bauzas but,
16:56:39 bauzas "We should also implement the possibility to retrieve deleted instance actions as we do for instances." seems like an API change, right?
16:57:22 sean-k-mooney pslestang: so just to be clear the meaning of soft delete upstream is the row is kept in the db but marked as delete
16:57:40 pslestang bauzas: I did not dive into the API so need to be checked
16:57:40 sean-k-mooney so that it can be mared as not deleted again later
16:57:46 pslestang sean-k-mooney: yes
16:57:58 bauzas are we sure that instance-actions table is soft-deletable already ?
16:58:15 sean-k-mooney i tought it was
16:58:24 bauzas I dunno, hence my question
16:58:31 pslestang bauzas: yes it is
16:58:33 bauzas if yes, looks like a config option setting
16:58:35 sean-k-mooney so that if we resotred a soft deleted instance its action woudl be preserved
16:58:44 bauzas if no, this is a db change hence a spec required
16:59:00 sean-k-mooney pslestang: so today we shoudl be soft deleting them already
16:59:03 pslestang the instance_actions table is soft-deletable
16:59:15 sean-k-mooney and the new config option you would instead hard delete them
16:59:32 bauzas sean-k-mooney: yeah I'm assuming we would mark the records soft-deleted in the DB and we would also unmark them when undeleting
16:59:47 bauzas actually, we're at time
16:59:54 bauzas but we can continue off the meeting
17:00:09 opendevmeet Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-12-07-16.00.log.html
17:00:09 opendevmeet Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-12-07-16.00.txt
17:00:09 opendevmeet Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/nova/2021/nova.2021-12-07-16.00.html
17:00:09 opendevmeet Meeting ended Tue Dec 7 17:00:09 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
17:00:09 bauzas #endmeeting
17:00:15 gibi I think there is a reason to keep the actions visible after the instance is deleted
17:00:28 lyarwood fun, I did have another topic
17:00:32 lyarwood A quick heads for upstream folks who might not be aware, I'll be stepping away from OpenStack in the new year from ~Jan 28th, moving to a different project within Red Hat. My focus until then is to close out the various open specs, bugfixes etc that I currently have.
17:00:34 pslestang sean-k-mooney: today when we soft-delete an instance instance actions are not soft-deleted (I suppose to let the operator have an history on a deleted instane)
17:00:56 gibi lyarwood: I will miss you!
17:01:04 gibi lyarwood: but good luck!
17:01:08 elodilles lyarwood: :-o
17:01:15 lyarwood gibi: thanks
17:01:16 gibi and let me know if help needed to close up things
17:01:22 sean-k-mooney pslestang: ah ok then i think that might be a bug then
17:01:28 bauzas lyarwood: sorry, I stopped the meeting on time given i didn't see any other item
17:01:40 sean-k-mooney pslestang: we should keep the records in the db for auit use until they are archived
17:01:41 lyarwood oh I'll be chasing for reviews don't worry about that gibi :)
17:01:56 lyarwood bauzas: yeah np I didn't post it in the agenda
17:01:59 elodilles lyarwood: same as gibi says: will miss you (especially at stable team!) :(
17:02:05 gmann lyarwood: ohh. it is great help from you in many areas not just nova where we all will miss your contribution.
17:02:09 pslestang sean-k-mooney: agree with that
17:02:13 elodilles lyarwood: good luck with the new position!
17:02:14 bauzas pslestang: sean-k-mooney: I think instance actions be kept when soft-delete isn't a bug but rather made on purpose
17:02:40 lyarwood gmann / elodilles ; thanks both
17:02:41 sean-k-mooney bauzas: pslestang i belive is reproting that currently they are not kept
17:02:42 gibi pslestang, sean-k-mooney: I need the instance actions to remind me that I deleted my instance yesterday hence not finding it
17:02:48 bauzas but I'm not opposed to let operators define this behaviour as opt-out
17:03:21 bauzas pslestang: can you then clarify ?
17:03:23 sean-k-mooney gibi: right so my expection is that the instacne action woudl remain until we do archive-delete-rows or whatever that is called
17:03:24 gmann what is purpose of disabling it via config instead just ignore that action record if not needed ?

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