| Posted | Nick | Remark | |
|---|---|---|---|
| #openstack-nova - 2017-09-04 | |||
| 11:46:39 | sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: i belive we will be able to do the former correct | |
| 11:53:39 | openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: reno: mention that customer resource are not supported https://review.openstack.org/500521 | |
| 11:59:41 | ps_jadhav | gegelio | |
| 12:22:30 | openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/nova master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/500011 | |
| 12:41:02 | stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: Sorry - was gone for lunch | |
| 12:41:52 | stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: To the best of my recollection, you won't be able to do anything as specific as that. We won't be doing things like handling PCI-NUMA affinity in placement - that'll all remain a compute-node level operation | |
| 13:06:57 | kashyap | stephenfin: Crazy nit - I accidentally noticed -- you asked for lower-casing of Nova here. Shouldn't the 'N' in Nova always be in caps? - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476188/3/doc/source/user/serial_console.rst | |
| 13:07:54 | stephenfin | kashyap: Nope - it's a weird thing the docs team have. Project names are not capitalized | |
| 13:08:17 | kashyap | stephenfin: Ah, okay. You're trying to be consistent with the pre-existing rule | |
| 13:08:46 | stephenfin | kashyap: 'zactly. I don't know why it's that way, but if everyone else is doing then we best do it too | |
| 13:09:13 | kashyap | Sure, consistency is nice. Just felt tripped by the crazy | |
| 13:18:48 | sean-k-mooney | stephenfin: then that a major limitation of placement. | |
| 13:19:48 | sean-k-mooney | i was hopign ot not only do pci affinity in placement but also cpu thread policies and other fetures... if we cannot move them to placement we will need to keep adding new code to nova to handel this | |
| 13:20:47 | stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: Sec. I'm pretty sure I've a mail from jaypipes about this | |
| 13:20:58 | jaypipes | stephenfin: quoi? | |
| 13:21:12 | sean-k-mooney | hi jaypipes o/ | |
| 13:21:17 | jaypipes | heyo :) | |
| 13:21:20 | sean-k-mooney | are you not ment to be on vacation | |
| 13:21:34 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: yes, all those things would be traits against resource providers. | |
| 13:21:41 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: meh :) | |
| 13:21:47 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: it's labor day. I'm laboring. | |
| 13:22:30 | sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: well traits may not be enough to model some of the specific things we will need to schedle on. | |
| 13:22:40 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: example? | |
| 13:23:16 | sean-k-mooney | i added some examples to the ptg schedule i think | |
| 13:23:23 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: ah, k | |
| 13:23:24 | sean-k-mooney | let me check | |
| 13:23:39 | stephenfin | sean-k-mooney: So this is what jaypipes and I discussed after the last summit. Not sure if it's still all relevant, but jaypipes can correct me if not http://paste.openstack.org/show/620336/ | |
| 13:24:48 | jaypipes | that is still correct, yes, stephenfin | |
| 13:25:13 | sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: see lines 106-125 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | |
| 13:25:50 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: the idea is that we prevent the reschedule problem by claiming NUMA resources (a quantity of cores, threads, sockets) but we don't reserve specific cores/threads/pinset in placement. Instead, we rely on the existing code to do that. | |
| 13:26:50 | sean-k-mooney | so we need to keep a second set of tabels in nova to track which specific cores are allocated | |
| 13:27:52 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: no... we already do... it's the numa_topology field in compute_nodes table. | |
| 13:28:14 | sean-k-mooney | yes and for things other then numa? | |
| 13:29:36 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: not entirely sure what example you're giving there. | |
| 13:30:08 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: are you referring to a specific VF having bandwidth resources doled out by placement? | |
| 13:31:21 | openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/nova master: doc: Document TLS security setup for noVNC proxy https://review.openstack.org/500544 | |
| 13:31:30 | sean-k-mooney | that is one usecase yes. we have partly implemented the neutron half to enfore the mimium bandwith qos policy on the vf but seperate form that intel has a set of technologies that we have supported in our severs since haswell such as cache allocation technology which allow to confine/allocate cache to a specific porcsess | |
| 13:31:56 | sean-k-mooney | the cache allocation has socket affinity but not numa affintiy | |
| 13:32:37 | sean-k-mooney | we could track that with a trait but its not moddled in the numa_topology struture in nova today | |
| 13:33:10 | jaypipes | le sigh... hardware-defined software at its finest. :) | |
| 13:34:40 | sean-k-mooney | our cascade lake server plathform will have memory bandwith allocation support also which is even more fun. | |
| 13:35:18 | sean-k-mooney | and yes you know i dont consider my self that much of a hardware guy just working at intel i get exposed to all this stuff... | |
| 13:35:30 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: well, technically, it's indeed possible to model all this stuff with the nested resource providers modeling... | |
| 13:36:10 | sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: yes the bandwith is straigt forward its a nested resouce provider that is a child of the pf | |
| 13:36:33 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: I think we probably need to add some standard resource class types that represent this stuff. doesn't seem like the existing NUMA_SOCKET, NUMA_CORE, and NUMA_THREAD resource classes are going to be enough. | |
| 13:37:38 | sean-k-mooney | well those three classes shoudl not have numa in the name in the first palce | |
| 13:37:53 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: why not? | |
| 13:38:16 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: remember, these are the classes of resources the *guest* gets | |
| 13:38:22 | sean-k-mooney | numa is soly about your memory layout and is not related to you cpu core topology implcitly | |
| 13:38:42 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: a guest doesn't get LPCU#12 and LPCU#16. It gets 2 NUMA_CORE | |
| 13:39:12 | jaypipes | LCPU... | |
| 13:39:29 | sean-k-mooney | maybe form a guest perspective it will work but you can have 0-n numa nodes per socket and you can have numa nodes not connected to a socket | |
| 13:39:49 | sean-k-mooney | you bassicaly have 1 numa node per memory contoler | |
| 13:40:07 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: doesn't sound like any of this is quantitative. | |
| 13:40:23 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: it's all just to represent distance to memory, no? | |
| 13:41:00 | sean-k-mooney | am sort of, it distance(latency) and bandwith to memory | |
| 13:41:50 | jaypipes | gah, I wish we could punt this to k8s. oh wait, they don't want it either... | |
| 13:43:18 | sean-k-mooney | the vf sellection policy section i added in line 106-125 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens are actull more straight forword the modeling what we were just talking about | |
| 13:43:28 | sean-k-mooney | the featuer bases scheduling is just traits. | |
| 13:43:36 | jaypipes | yeah, it's the NUMA stuff that kills everything. | |
| 13:43:38 | sean-k-mooney | bandwith is jsut childe of pf | |
| 13:43:41 | jaypipes | yep | |
| 13:43:50 | sean-k-mooney | numa could be a trait i guess | |
| 13:44:03 | openstackgerrit | Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez proposed openstack/os-vif master: Add plugin names as constants. https://review.openstack.org/500111 | |
| 13:44:42 | sean-k-mooney | pf affinity is for bonding. if you bound 2 sriov nics in the guest you want vf to have anti affinity at the pf level | |
| 13:45:04 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: NUMA is definitely not a trait... | |
| 13:45:12 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: you don't "have NUMA" or not. | |
| 13:45:36 | sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: well actully if your plathform only has one memory controler then you dont have numa | |
| 13:46:13 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: you know what I meant :) | |
| 13:46:42 | sean-k-mooney | :) yes i do | |
| 13:47:05 | sean-k-mooney | that should read unfortunetly i do :) | |
| 13:47:11 | jaypipes | hehe | |
| 13:47:43 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: before we get to Denver, I'd appreciate if you and ralonsoh can prioritize these placement features. | |
| 13:48:11 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: we're def not going to get to them all, and I'd like to work on the top priority items that actually have a chance of being completed in Queens | |
| 13:48:36 | sean-k-mooney | yep understood. | |
| 13:48:55 | sean-k-mooney | ill try and see what once have the most bang for there buck | |
| 13:48:55 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: and remember that we already have two higher priorities in placement-land: getting all the move operations straight (migrations, etc) and fully supporting shared storage | |
| 13:49:12 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: and integrating traits into the virt driver and scheduling layers./ | |
| 13:49:21 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: cool, thanks man | |
| 13:50:05 | sean-k-mooney | i mainly added the vf selection topic becase fo the pci passthrough overhaul section. | |
| 13:50:33 | jaypipes | sean-k-mooney: you mean the generic device manager thing? :) | |
| 13:50:35 | openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/nova master: Correct examples in "Manage Compute services" documentation https://review.openstack.org/500551 | |
| 13:50:57 | dtantsur | just saw a person hit by this ^^^ | |
| 13:51:58 | jaypipes | dtantsur: +2 | |
| 13:52:19 | dtantsur | thnx | |
| 13:55:00 | stephenfin | alex_xu: Just wait til you get the two of them in a room together :P | |
| 13:58:20 | stephenfin | gibi: Easy "kill dead code" patch here, if you fancied taking a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483030/ | |
| 14:07:29 | gibi | stephenfin: looking... | |
| 14:09:37 | sean-k-mooney | jaypipes: yes the generic device manager thing + there are a few other spects related to sriov in general such as attach/detach support. | |
| 14:09:49 | jaypipes | yup | |
| 14:22:45 | sbezverk | sean-k-mooney : ping | |
| 14:24:20 | sean-k-mooney | sbezverk: hi | |
| 14:25:21 | sbezverk | sean-k-mooney hi, quick question for you if you have a second. Are you aware of any in depth libvirt debugging/troubleshooting guide? | |
| 14:25:29 | openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-traits master: Add a new parameter ``suffix`` to function ``get_traits`` https://review.openstack.org/483451 | |
| 14:26:08 | sean-k-mooney | sbezverk: not as such no. are you trying to find a guide to debug problems using libvirt or developing libvirt | |
| 14:27:54 | sbezverk | sean-k-mooney I see "x-files" type of problem with one VM and need to dig way deeper in libvirt to understand what is going on | |
| 14:29:01 | sean-k-mooney | well libvirt iteslef does almost nothing excepth take an xml and convert it into a qemu ars list | |
| 14:29:38 | sean-k-mooney | perhaps thats a bit unfair to it but usually the issue is not in libvirt but in the thing its calling of the thing that is driving it | |
| 14:30:25 | sean-k-mooney | sbezverk: what is the problem you are having? | |
| 14:30:47 | sbezverk | sean-k-mooney you asked yourself ;) | |