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#openstack-nova - 2017-08-25
14:23:51 efried https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496434/
14:24:01 claudiub stephenfin: we are.
14:24:55 claudiub stephenfin: we're currently only reporting devices which have the domain:bus:slot.func format
14:25:05 efried ...with e.g. [pci]alias = {"name": "USB", "product_id": "8241", "vendor_id": "104c", "device_type": "type-PCI"} and [pci]passthrough_whitelist = {"product_id": "8241", "vendor_id": "104c"}
14:26:08 efried claudiub Those devices show up on the compute node?
14:26:21 claudiub stephenfin: but I've mainly whitelisted devices using product_id / vendor_id
14:26:42 claudiub efried: if they're are passthrough-able, yes.
14:26:56 claudiub efried: they have to be prepared for passthrough first
14:27:06 efried claudiub How?
14:27:38 claudiub efried: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/releasenotes/notes/hyper-v-pci-passthrough-babf104d6bc2baa6.yaml
14:28:41 jaypipes efried: reviewed.
14:29:02 efried Oh, thanks jaypipes :)
14:29:22 claudiub stephenfin: anyways. it would be nice to be also be able to whitelist devices using other ways than product_id / vendor_id, or domain:bus:slot.func.
14:29:59 efried jaypipes Nice. None of that was worthy of a -1? Really?
14:30:10 stephenfin claudiub: What kind of IDs would you expect, e.g. how else can devices be identified in Hyper-V?
14:30:45 jaypipes efried: :)
14:30:59 jaypipes stephenfin: by green card.
14:31:00 efried jaypipes I really didn't expect you to review it, but I would like to point out the spoof_pci_address method (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496434/3/nova_powervm/virt/powervm/vm.py@884)
14:31:21 claudiub stephenfin: for example, I've had this issue when working on the sr-iov support. apparenty, different NIC vendors have different PCI device ID formats. for example, Intel NICs contain the vendor_id and product_id, which can be extracted and reported. But other NICs, like Mellanox or Chelsio, do not.
14:31:37 claudiub stephenfin: a simple device_id would do, IMO.
14:31:53 jaypipes efried: oh, trust me, I saw it :)
14:33:22 efried claudiub Right, so I would like my [pci]passthrough_whitelist entry to identify devices in whatever way my compute deems appropriate, and have the logic for doing that whitelist filtering live in my compute driver.
14:36:46 claudiub efried: well, the compute driver is already reporting "all" the PCI devices it sees, right? after which the PCI resource tracker filters those compute driver reported PCI devices according to the configured whitelist. is there anything that doesn't fit your usecase?
14:37:33 efried claudiub Yeah: the ability to specify individual devices in the whitelist (vs. just vendor/prod ID classes)
14:37:51 efried Because as soon as I start chucking addresses around, nova tries to get at them under /sys/bus/...
14:38:13 stephenfin efried, jaypipes: Would we still have per-compute-node filtering in the resource provider world?
14:38:32 claudiub efried: ah yes, i see. that would make sense, IMO. the pci resource tracker should be updated to allow other filters to be configured, imo.
14:39:19 efried stephenfin So the way I would think it would work in a RP world is...
14:39:46 efried Your RP (in this case the compute node) inventories the devices it has available, *already* filtered by whitelist.
14:40:25 cdent meaning filtering as a descendant of get_inventory?
14:40:36 jaypipes stephenfin: are you asking whether there'd be a need for a whitelist conf option when we manage PCI devices in placement?
14:40:48 stephenfin jaypipes: Yup
14:41:01 efried cdent Within get_inventory, yeah.
14:41:08 cdent cool, good
14:41:14 jaypipes stephenfin: yes, there would still be a need for a way to filter out host devices that should not be allocatable to a consumer.
14:42:00 jaypipes stephenfin: I just want the pci_passthrough_whitelist CONF option to do a single thing. I'd like to see a separate CONF option (or YAML file even) that contains device inventory information that cannot be auto-discovered.
14:42:05 claudiub jaypipes: isn't that already done at the api level?
14:42:14 jaypipes claudiub: hmm?
14:42:21 jaypipes claudiub: not sure I understand you
14:42:22 claudiub with pci device alias config opion
14:42:55 claudiub afaik, you request a pci device through an alias. if a pci device is not aliased, i don't think it's allocatable
14:43:11 efried Correct. passthrough_whitelist is intersected with alias to get the list of claimable devs.
14:43:12 jaypipes claudiub: well, that's yet another thing that the pci_passthrough_whitelist CONF option does :( alias things...
14:43:32 efried jaypipes Well, [pci]alias aliases things.
14:43:44 efried AFAICT that's in place to make it easier to specify them in the flavor
14:43:51 efried extra_specs pci_passthrough:alias=<alias>:<count>
14:44:10 jaypipes there's still alias stuff in the whitelist option.
14:44:17 efried ?
14:44:35 efried no lo veo
14:44:37 claudiub so, then, you can still request PCI devices through other means, like vendor_id / product_id, or other fields like this? i didn't see this documented.
14:44:58 claudiub not counting sr-iov.
14:45:19 claudiub that's requested whenever a port is vnic_type direct or something similar
14:45:34 efried oh, that.
14:45:54 claudiub that's requested automatically *
14:45:56 efried That's done based on the physical_network tag in the passthrough_whitelist, I believe. Aliases are not involved at all in that flow.
14:46:11 claudiub efried: yeah
14:46:12 efried which is... goofy.
14:46:38 efried Hey, it's Friday.
14:47:19 fried_rice Yeah, handling SR-IOV is a separate can of worms.
14:47:48 fried_rice And btw, I think SR-IOV is where a lot of the /sys/bus business comes into play. Or rather, why it's there in the first place.
14:47:55 claudiub oh yeah. which reminds me. i didn't find a proper way to "associate" different SR-IOV NICs to different "physical_networks"
14:48:28 fried_rice claudiub How so?
14:48:44 fried_rice oh, the thing where you can only actually have one physical network
14:49:20 fried_rice Yeah, there's a limitation in the binding metadata in neutron. We tried to "fix" it in I think ocata, but armax shot us down.
14:49:38 armax fried_rice: what did I do?
14:49:49 fried_rice armax :) Hold on, let me see if I can dig it up.
14:50:24 fried_rice armax I think it was this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358125/
14:50:25 armax I don’t typically shoot people down without proper justification :)
14:50:58 fried_rice https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1615128
14:50:59 openstack Launchpad bug 1615128 in neutron "Custom binding:profile values not coming through" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Eric Fried (efried)
14:51:04 fried_rice Oh, you provided justification
14:51:08 fried_rice And we backed off accordingly.
14:51:37 jaypipes fried_rice: apologies, I was wrong on the pci_passthrough + alias thing. :(
14:51:54 armax fried_rice: right, I remember this now…I suppose the next step from the -2 was to follow up with an RFE that never came
14:52:05 armax iirc
14:52:25 fried_rice armax That sounds right.
14:52:44 fried_rice armax Wasn't trying to bust your chops :)
14:52:53 armax fried_rice: so I only injured you, not shot you down mortally :)
14:53:28 armax fried_rice: not a problem, I make mistakes of judment all the time, I was just trying to figure out the context
14:53:35 claudiub fried_rice: hm, simply because the limitation of the passthrough_whitelist config option. I can't reliably get a vendor_id / product_id for the NICs I have, and I can't use the address field either. IMO, if device_id would be allowed, it would work.
14:53:56 fried_rice claudiub Well
14:53:57 claudiub hm, haven't tried devname though.
14:54:08 fried_rice claudiub I haven't actually found any reason you can't spoof the vendor/product ID.
14:54:20 fried_rice I don't *think* those are actually checked against anything real, ever.
14:54:54 fried_rice They're just correlated among the passthrough_whitelist (compute conf), the pci_passthrough_devices (compute-provided get_available_resource), and the alias list (api conf).
14:54:57 claudiub the PCI devices reported by the compute drivers have to have those vendor_id / product_ids
14:55:27 fried_rice Yes, have to have them, but I don't think anything cares that those values are really what the dev reports.
14:55:45 claudiub true.
14:56:09 fried_rice I'm... sort of counting on it, actually. Cause I have a vendor ID, but I'm not sure if the thing I'm using as a product ID is really a product ID.
14:56:24 fried_rice https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496434/3/nova_powervm/virt/powervm/host.py@111
14:56:59 claudiub for sr-iov devices, i'm currently doing an md5, if i can't get the actual vendor_id, product_id, which feels wrong. :)
14:57:00 fried_rice Course, if you do that (or really, whatever you do), you have to document how your user needs to glean the right value to put in those spots in the whitelist/alias.
14:57:11 fried_rice claudiub Totally
14:57:16 fried_rice I feel your pain.
14:57:43 fried_rice claudiub I'm doing something similar with PCI addresses: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496434/3/nova_powervm/virt/powervm/vm.py@884
14:58:05 claudiub *ahem*, if only we could also whitelist via device_id, that would work for me. would it work for you as well?
14:58:25 fried_rice claudiub Where device_id can be an arbitrary string, yes, totally.
14:59:32 fried_rice claudiub In order to do wildcarding, though, you would need to outsource the validation/filtering to the compute driver.
14:59:46 fried_rice Cause he's the only guy who knows how to interpret that "arbitrary" format.
15:00:17 fried_rice Otherwise you would just get a straight string match, which means you have to enumerate every device (or continue to use classes via vendor/prod IDs)

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