Author: Virgil Bierschwale
Posted: 2004-11-16 at 08:28:30
I don't agree that it was right..
However I see the other side of the story.
IF there were a chance that this person had booby trapped himself, which
apparently happens AND if he was in fact armed which is what I heard AND if
I had been shot the day before myself, well I'm sure there is bound to be an
"Its us or them" mentality in a situation like that.
I do not have no experience so I can't say what I would do.
I'm all for leading by example but I'm also realistic enough to know that
this only works when others play by the same rules.
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Dominic Burford
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:20 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] US War Crimes in Fallujah?
Virgil, the Marine in question shot an unarmed and wounded man by a shooting
him at point blank range. Whatever your political persuasion, you must
surely admit that this was wrong. From the footage I saw on the news, the
guy was lying on the floor, and was making no attempt to threaten the Marine
in the slightest.
If being shot at during a conflict makes you that trigger happy and nervous,
then perhaps the Armed Forces is not the correct career path for you. Why
was such an easily intimidated and nervous soldier serving in Fallujah?
As to your other point, you lead by example. If we did what they did, we'd
be the same as them. Right?
Regards
Dominic Burford
Software Engineer
Pegasus Software Limited
Orion House, Orion Way, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6PE
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"I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
-----Original Message-----
From: Virgil Bierschwale [mailto:vbiersch@msn.com]
Sent: 16 November 2004 13:09
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] US War Crimes in Fallujah?
Theres allways an other side to the story.
I don't know the details either, but the guy that shot him had just been
wounded the day before himself AND apparently the Insurgents/TRASH/Varmints
have been booby trapping dead bodies, so if that's the scenario, even though
it probably isnt right well I would have done the same thing.
Funny, when we do it, ya'll say we're not complying with the rules.
When they do it, there are no rules <grin>
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Dominic Burford
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:53 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] US War Crimes in Fallujah?
I'm not sure if the victim can be described as a POW, as he was not actually
in the custody of the US Marines at the time. More accurately he can be
described as a wounded insurgent. That said though, the killing was
unnecessary and callous. The victim was unarmed and wounded, and was shot
at point blank range. Apparently he has been removed from active duty, and
there was mention of him perhaps even facing a murder charge.
BTW I've added the [OT] for you ;-)
Regards
Dominic Burford
Software Engineer
Pegasus Software Limited
Orion House, Orion Way, Kettering, Northamptonshire, NN15 6PE
* Tel: +44 (1536) 495074
* Fax: +44 (1536) 495001
* dominic.burford@pegasus.co.uk
"I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design:
One way is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies." -- Tony Hoare, Turing Award Lecture 1980
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Sutherland Email
Sent: 16 November 2004 08:38
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: US War Crimes in Fallujah?
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=583322
NBC apparently have footage of a US Marine murdering a POW.
Cheers
Gary
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