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2019-10-04 18:03Gene Wirchenko : VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 02:40<juergen@wondzinski.de>: AW: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 04:18Koen Piller : Re: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 05:03AndyHC : Re: AW: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 13:15Gene Wirchenko : Re: AW: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 15:11Tracy Pearson : RE: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 15:49Gene Wirchenko : RE: VFP App Startup Program
2019-10-07 17:22Charlie Coleman : Re: VFP App Startup Program
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VFP App Startup Program

Author: Gene Wirchenko

Posted: 2019-10-04 18:03:17   Link

Hello:

I have seen discussions about this at various times, but I have

not ever seen details.

You have an app which might be updated and want to have that

happen automatically.

In my case, it is a VFP .exe, and I wrote a program to handle

that years ago.

What about if the startup program needs to be updated? Since

there is a change (the first since) in that, I wanted to write a

version that would update the update program, too. Somehow, it did

not work. And since there is less debugging information available

when debugging a .exe, I ended up giving up on it after some trouble.

My thought was to have two programs:

cbs2run.exe would check cbs2run2.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), check cbs2.exe (the app) if it needed updating (and maybe

update), then run cbs2run2.exe.

cbs2run2.exe would check cbs2run.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), then run cbs2.exe.

The reason that I had two programs is so that cbs2run.exe would

quit running and be overwritable. Even inserting a 5-second pause

before trying to overwrite cbs2run.exe in cbs2run2.exe did not

work. I got some very inconsistent and confusing results.

Was I overlooking something? If so, what?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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AW: VFP App Startup Program

Author: <juergen@wondzinski.de>

Posted: 2019-10-07 02:40:10   Link

Hi Gene,

normally your Starter programm just runs the main program, after checking

for updates, and then quits itself. The starter cannot update himself, thus

another program / task has to do this. The easiest way would be to first

install a new main program, which checks the starter for version, and

optionally does the update for the starter program. Thus the two can update

each other :)

wOOdy

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Hello:

I have seen discussions about this at various times, but I have not

ever seen details.

You have an app which might be updated and want to have that happen

automatically.

In my case, it is a VFP .exe, and I wrote a program to handle that

years ago.

What about if the startup program needs to be updated? Since there is

a change (the first since) in that, I wanted to write a version that would

update the update program, too. Somehow, it did not work. And since there

is less debugging information available when debugging a .exe, I ended up

giving up on it after some trouble.

My thought was to have two programs:

cbs2run.exe would check cbs2run2.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), check cbs2.exe (the app) if it needed updating (and maybe update),

then run cbs2run2.exe.

cbs2run2.exe would check cbs2run.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), then run cbs2.exe.

The reason that I had two programs is so that cbs2run.exe would quit

running and be overwritable. Even inserting a 5-second pause before trying

to overwrite cbs2run.exe in cbs2run2.exe did not work. I got some very

inconsistent and confusing results.

Was I overlooking something? If so, what?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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Re: VFP App Startup Program

Author: Koen Piller

Posted: 2019-10-07 04:18:34   Link

Gene,

Please study also the articles which I pointed you in Foxite.

https://www.foxite.com/archives/0000469049.htm

Regards,

Koen

Op ma 7 okt. 2019 om 09:40 schreef <juergen@wondzinski.de>:

> Hi Gene,

>

> normally your Starter programm just runs the main program, after checking

> for updates, and then quits itself. The starter cannot update himself, thus

> another program / task has to do this. The easiest way would be to first

> install a new main program, which checks the starter for version, and

> optionally does the update for the starter program. Thus the two can

> update

> each other :)

>

> wOOdy

>

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: ProFox <profox-bounces@leafe.com> Im Auftrag von Gene Wirchenko

> Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 01:03

> An: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>

> Betreff: VFP App Startup Program

>

> Hello:

>

> I have seen discussions about this at various times, but I have not

> ever seen details.

>

> You have an app which might be updated and want to have that happen

> automatically.

>

> In my case, it is a VFP .exe, and I wrote a program to handle that

> years ago.

>

> What about if the startup program needs to be updated? Since there

> is

> a change (the first since) in that, I wanted to write a version that would

> update the update program, too. Somehow, it did not work. And since there

> is less debugging information available when debugging a .exe, I ended up

> giving up on it after some trouble.

>

> My thought was to have two programs:

>

> cbs2run.exe would check cbs2run2.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

> update), check cbs2.exe (the app) if it needed updating (and maybe update),

> then run cbs2run2.exe.

>

> cbs2run2.exe would check cbs2run.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

> update), then run cbs2.exe.

>

> The reason that I had two programs is so that cbs2run.exe would quit

> running and be overwritable. Even inserting a 5-second pause before trying

> to overwrite cbs2run.exe in cbs2run2.exe did not work. I got some very

> inconsistent and confusing results.

>

> Was I overlooking something? If so, what?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Gene Wirchenko

>

>

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Re: AW: VFP App Startup Program

Author: AndyHC

Posted: 2019-10-07 05:03:15   Link

+1

On 07-Oct-2019 1:10 PM, juergen@wondzinski.de wrote:

> Hi Gene,

>

> normally your Starter programm just runs the main program, after checking

> for updates, and then quits itself. The starter cannot update himself, thus

> another program / task has to do this. The easiest way would be to first

> install a new main program, which checks the starter for version, and

> optionally does the update for the starter program. Thus the two can update

> each other :)

>

> wOOdy

>

>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: ProFox <profox-bounces@leafe.com> Im Auftrag von Gene Wirchenko

> Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 01:03

> An: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>

> Betreff: VFP App Startup Program

>

> Hello:

>

> I have seen discussions about this at various times, but I have not

> ever seen details.

>

> You have an app which might be updated and want to have that happen

> automatically.

>

> In my case, it is a VFP .exe, and I wrote a program to handle that

> years ago.

>

> What about if the startup program needs to be updated? Since there is

> a change (the first since) in that, I wanted to write a version that would

> update the update program, too. Somehow, it did not work. And since there

> is less debugging information available when debugging a .exe, I ended up

> giving up on it after some trouble.

>

> My thought was to have two programs:

>

> cbs2run.exe would check cbs2run2.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

> update), check cbs2.exe (the app) if it needed updating (and maybe update),

> then run cbs2run2.exe.

>

> cbs2run2.exe would check cbs2run.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

> update), then run cbs2.exe.

>

> The reason that I had two programs is so that cbs2run.exe would quit

> running and be overwritable. Even inserting a 5-second pause before trying

> to overwrite cbs2run.exe in cbs2run2.exe did not work. I got some very

> inconsistent and confusing results.

>

> Was I overlooking something? If so, what?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Gene Wirchenko

>

>

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Re: AW: VFP App Startup Program

Author: Gene Wirchenko

Posted: 2019-10-07 13:15:58   Link

At 00:40 2019-10-07, <juergen@wondzinski.de> wrote:

>Hi Gene,

>

>normally your Starter programm just runs the main program, after checking

>for updates, and then quits itself. The starter cannot update himself, thus

>another program / task has to do this. The easiest way would be to first

>install a new main program, which checks the starter for version, and

>optionally does the update for the starter program. Thus the two can update

>each other :)

Look at my original post. That is exactly what I was trying to

do with cbs2run.exe and cbs2run2.exe. But there was trouble. I do

not know if I simply missed something or it is not possible in one

execution chain.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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RE: VFP App Startup Program

Author: Tracy Pearson

Posted: 2019-10-07 15:11:51   Link

Gene,

How you launched the 2nd executable from the 1st executable may have been a

cause.

The VFP RUN command will block if you don't use the /N clause with it.

The ShellExec API should have returned control allowing you to exit the 1st

executable.

There are a couple of API's that will wait for the 2nd executable to return

before continuing.

The VFP RUN command the CMD window to run the 2nd executable. ShellExec will

not.

HTH,

Tracy

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Subject: VFP App Startup Program

Hello:

I have seen discussions about this at various times, but I have

not ever seen details.

You have an app which might be updated and want to have that

happen automatically.

In my case, it is a VFP .exe, and I wrote a program to handle

that years ago.

What about if the startup program needs to be updated? Since

there is a change (the first since) in that, I wanted to write a

version that would update the update program, too. Somehow, it did

not work. And since there is less debugging information available

when debugging a .exe, I ended up giving up on it after some trouble.

My thought was to have two programs:

cbs2run.exe would check cbs2run2.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), check cbs2.exe (the app) if it needed updating (and maybe

update), then run cbs2run2.exe.

cbs2run2.exe would check cbs2run.exe if it needed updating (and maybe

update), then run cbs2.exe.

The reason that I had two programs is so that cbs2run.exe would

quit running and be overwritable. Even inserting a 5-second pause

before trying to overwrite cbs2run.exe in cbs2run2.exe did not

work. I got some very inconsistent and confusing results.

Was I overlooking something? If so, what?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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RE: VFP App Startup Program

Author: Gene Wirchenko

Posted: 2019-10-07 15:49:17   Link

At 13:11 2019-10-07, "Tracy Pearson" <tracy@powerchurch.com> wrote:

>Gene,

>

>How you launched the 2nd executable from the 1st executable may have been a

>cause.

>The VFP RUN command will block if you don't use the /N clause with it.

I did use run /n. It works like a charm with my one-level loader.

>The ShellExec API should have returned control allowing you to exit the 1st

>executable.

>There are a couple of API's that will wait for the 2nd executable to return

>before continuing.

>

>The VFP RUN command the CMD window to run the 2nd executable. ShellExec will

>not.

So how does this make a difference?

It is bothersome trying to debug this, because I can not see

what is happening. Because the loaders are .exe programs, I do not

have the benefit of the debugger, etc.

I have been wondering if having two VFP .exes running at once

is an issue. (Is there a conflict between config files?)

[snipped previous]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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Re: VFP App Startup Program

Author: Charlie Coleman

Posted: 2019-10-07 17:22:59   Link

Unfortunately I do not have your original code Gene (if you showed it in an

earlier email).

If you know your config files differ between your startup and your main, it

might be an issue. I'm assuming you have tried compiling the config.fpw

into the .exes to see what happens (you can include it under the 'other'

files). But I cannot vouch for the situation as my config.fpw files pretty

much the same regardless of the app.

I have not used the RUN /N, I usually use WinExec. You need to register the

function, here is a block of code I use to declare it:

*-- Declare the Win API function for running other executables

*-- The uIntCmdShow can be:

*-- SW_HIDE - 0

*-- SW_FORE_AND_MAX - 3

*-- SW_MINIMIZE - 6

*-- SW_DEFAULT - 10

*-- ....???

*-- Make sure and put a CHR(0) on the end of the parameters

*-- cExecutable = 'f2pdfgen.exe'

*-- cParameters = ' 1 2000 c:\dev\form2\data\ f2newpdf' + CHR(0)

*-- cCommandString = cExecutable + cParameters

*-- x = WinExec(cCommandString, 0)

DECLARE INTEGER WinExec IN Win32API STRING @lpszCmdLine, INTEGER uintCmdShow

Anyway, I'm not sure why you would have a problem with the updater updating

the main .exe. If the update is failing the mainexe may still be running?

But if the only way to run your main .exe is by running the updater that

should not happen. I did put a piece of code in my updater app that would

write a 'special file' - the main exe looks for the existence of that

special file and if it is not found, it immediately exits. If it does exist

it erases it and continues on its merry way.

But one thing I had to do was not try to update the updater exe. I fixed

that by not trying to update the updater .exe until I exited the main .exe

- e.g. AFTER the CLEAR EVENTS in my main .exe.

I also download my updates to a holding folder, not directly to the .exe

files. I did that partly for testing/tracing at first, but then I saw the

'copy to update' process was so fast that there was no reason to change to

direct downloads. After I saw that, doing my above process (updating the

updater only when my main .exe exited) became very easy.

So, to sum up,

- my updater downloads (or copies from a server) all needed updates into

a holding folder.

- if the main .exe was part of those updates, it copies the .exe from the

holding folder over the main .exe and then deletes the main .exe from the

holding folder (for me, the holding folder is subfolder under the main .exe

folder).

- the updater app creates a 'special file' to show that it has been

executed

- then I run the main .exe and let the updater app exit out

- in the main.exe I check for the 'special file' - if it exists, it is

erased and the .exe continues, if it does not exit, the .exe immediately

exits (do not pass GO, do not collect $200)

- then in the main .exe I have code after the CLEAR EVENTS (e.g. aka in

the ON SHUTDOWN code, or whatever) that looks to see if there is a new

'updater.exe' waiting in the holding folder. If there is, I copy that,

delete it from the holding folder, and then continue on to let the main.exe

exit.

I have never had "timing update" problems with the above. I have a feeling

the above design would work using "RUN... /N" as well.

HTH,

-Charlie

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:49 PM Gene Wirchenko <gene@shaw.ca> wrote:

> At 13:11 2019-10-07, "Tracy Pearson" <tracy@powerchurch.com> wrote:

> >Gene,

> >

> >How you launched the 2nd executable from the 1st executable may have been

> a

> >cause.

> >The VFP RUN command will block if you don't use the /N clause with it.

>

> I did use run /n. It works like a charm with my one-level loader.

>

> >The ShellExec API should have returned control allowing you to exit the

> 1st

> >executable.

> >There are a couple of API's that will wait for the 2nd executable to

> return

> >before continuing.

> >

> >The VFP RUN command the CMD window to run the 2nd executable. ShellExec

> will

> >not.

>

> So how does this make a difference?

>

>

> It is bothersome trying to debug this, because I can not see

> what is happening. Because the loaders are .exe programs, I do not

> have the benefit of the debugger, etc.

>

> I have been wondering if having two VFP .exes running at once

> is an issue. (Is there a conflict between config files?)

>

> [snipped previous]

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Gene Wirchenko

>

>

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