Author: Fletcher Johnson
Posted: 2019-03-13 10:45:11 Link
Hi all,
I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least
amount of re-work.
I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various
alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And
some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or
discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you
know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of
compatibility.
Thanks,
Fletcher
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Author: <juergen@wondzinski.de>
Posted: 2019-03-13 13:06:48 Link
Hi Fletscher,
Lianja is up and running and Kickin'Ass!
https://www.lianja.com/resources/the-lianja-vision
Most of your VFP code will run unchanged. Lianja uses a VFP-compatible
Object hierarchy as well as PEMs, and has lots of extensions to the original
VFP language. You use any choice of VFP, PHP, JavaScript or Phyton to
program that beast, and it creates Desktop apps (for Win, Mac, Linux) as
well as WebApps, AppServer-centric, cloud-based, Mobile...
Download for free, and read the roadmap.
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Hi all,
I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least
amount of re-work.
I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various
alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And
some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or
discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you
know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of
compatibility.
Thanks,
Fletcher
Fletcher Johnson
<mailto:FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
<http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
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Author: Thierry Nivelet
Posted: 2019-03-14 05:23:33 Link
Hi Fletscher,
Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…
Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.
VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…
Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.
(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
> application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least
> amount of re-work.
>
>
>
> I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various
> alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And
> some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or
> discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you
> know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of
> compatibility.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fletcher
>
>
>
> Fletcher Johnson
>
> <mailto:FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
>
> <http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
>
> twitter.com/fletcherJ
>
> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson>
> strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson
>
> 408-946-0960 - work
>
> 408-781-2345 - cell
>
>
>
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Author: Kurt at VR-FX
Posted: 2019-03-14 08:34:00 Link
Will admit - I'd not heard that Win10 is last version. What happens
next? Windows goes way of Dodo bird???
-K-
On 3/14/2019 3:23 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
> Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced
> that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago),
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Author: Thierry Nivelet
Posted: 2019-03-14 08:50:09 Link
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
"With Windows 10, it's time to start thinking of Windows as something
that won't see a big launch or major upgrade every few years anymore."
Thierry Nivelet
Le 14/03/2019 à 14:34, Kurt at VR-FX a écrit :
> Will admit - I'd not heard that Win10 is last version. What happens
> next? Windows goes way of Dodo bird???
>
> -K-
>
> On 3/14/2019 3:23 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:
>> Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced
>> that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago),
>
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Author: John Weller
Posted: 2019-03-14 08:50:41 Link
No we keep getting 6-monthly 'Feature' updates
Author: Fletcher Johnson
Posted: 2019-03-14 11:45:35 Link
Thierry,
All I know is that there have been a number of comments about various options that are similar to VFP that have come out (X# is one) where VFP code will more or less run, especially with some of the built in conversion tools.
So the question isn't whether to stay with VFP, but if there are any alternatives that will run the VFP code without significant re-writes.
Thanks,
Fletcher
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Hi Fletscher,
Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…
Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.
VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…
Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.
(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
> application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least
> amount of re-work.
>
>
>
> I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various
> alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And
> some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or
> discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you
> know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of
> compatibility.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fletcher
>
>
>
> Fletcher Johnson
>
> <mailto:FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
>
> <http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
>
> twitter.com/fletcherJ
>
> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson>
> strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson
>
> 408-946-0960 - work
>
> 408-781-2345 - cell
>
>
>
>
>
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Author: Fletcher Johnson
Posted: 2019-03-14 11:45:35 Link
John,
That's what I heard too - that Windows 10 will simply keep getting upgraded. What matters now is the version (which is what the "10" used to represent.)
Since the upgrades are forced on everyone, unless you have a computer like one of mine that crashes when MS tries to push an upgrade (and then reverts), in theory, everyone is running on the same version. So why change the name?
But I don't think that it means that Windows is going away anytime soon.
Fletcher
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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:51 AM
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No we keep getting 6-monthly 'Feature' updates
Author: Kevin J Cully
Posted: 2019-03-14 12:00:55 Link
I think this is key. You all know that I'm a huge Xojo fan, however I can't ever believe that rewriting an application for something other than a real concrete reason is a good idea. Basically if you are wondering if you should rewrite a VFP application, then the answer is "no" already. If you know you need to rewrite a VFP application, then you already know why it needs to be rewritten, by definition. (Examples: Needs cross platform. Needs 64-bit. Can't interface with 'X'. etc.)
Great post Thierry.
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Hi Fletscher,
Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…
Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.
VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…
Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.
(I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).
Thierry Nivelet
FoxInCloud
Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
> application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the
> least amount of re-work.
>
>
>
> I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the
> various alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the
> others. And some that I thought were good options now appear to be
> dormant or discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine
> folks to see if you know where I might find a list of current
> alternatives and their level of compatibility.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Fletcher
>
>
>
> Fletcher Johnson
>
> <mailto:FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
>
> <http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson>
> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
>
> twitter.com/fletcherJ
>
> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson>
> strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson
>
> 408-946-0960 - work
>
> 408-781-2345 - cell
>
>
>
>
>
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Author: Thierry Nivelet
Posted: 2019-03-14 13:32:29 Link
Of course I've understood your question, just trying to point out that
it's no longer a concern since keeping VFP is no longer a risk and
rewrite brings no additional value.
As far as I know, all clone languages (Lianja, x#, xBase++) require
changing the VFP code; as soon as you change a single line of your app
in a non back compat manner, it becomes a migration where you can't
safely step back; and here come the risks and costs.
Thierry Nivelet
Le 14/03/2019 à 17:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :
> Thierry,
>
> All I know is that there have been a number of comments about various options that are similar to VFP that have come out (X# is one) where VFP code will more or less run, especially with some of the built in conversion tools.
>
> So the question isn't whether to stay with VFP, but if there are any alternatives that will run the VFP code without significant re-writes.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fletcher
>
>
> Fletcher Johnson
> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
> twitter.com/fletcherJ
> strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson
> 408-946-0960 - work
> 408-781-2345 - cell
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 3:24 AM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] Looking for current summary of VFP clones
>
> Hi Fletscher,
>
> Does your client really knows that, since 10 is the last version of Windows, VFP will work as long as Windows 10 will work, and re-write and/or migration will bring nothing but cost and risk without a single benefit (except for those who rewrite): learning, moving data to SQL if not already, rewriting, testing, retraining users, managing the transition with part of the app in VFP and part in the new system (no new app ever work overnight), etc., maybe loss of functionalities, and risk that the transition works out badly…
>
> Seeking alternatives to FoxPro was valid until Microsoft announced that Windows 10 was the last version (in may 2015, almost 4 years ago), today it's just seeking cost and risk for no other benefit than 'doing someting new'.
>
> VFP is incredibly reliable; some FoxInCloud clients have FoxInCloud web apps with over 50 forms (could be more), 50 concurrent users (could be more), PostgreSQL database, 8 logical servers in parallel (stateless, many-to-many relation between users and servers), running full weeks without a single error (100% availability) while reading and writing thousands of files, tables, memos, indexes and so forth. The busiest server runs 25k user requests per day, that we can estimate over 1.2 billion VFP instructions, without a single error…
>
> Bringing additional value to the existing VFP app is probably more worthy and interesting than rewriting; eg. with FoxInCloud.
>
> (I know I don't really answer your original question, just trying to open new pathes).
>
> Thierry Nivelet
> FoxInCloud
>
> Le 13/03/2019 à 16:45, Fletcher Johnson a écrit :
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked for a list of current options for someone who has a VFP
>> application and wants to migrate it to a supported language, with the least
>> amount of re-work.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen many options listed, but am sure how compatible the various
>> alternatives are. X# looks promising, but so do some of the others. And
>> some that I thought were good options now appear to be dormant or
>> discontinued. So I thought I would check with you fine folks to see if you
>> know where I might find a list of current alternatives and their level of
>> compatibility.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Fletcher
>>
>>
>>
>> Fletcher Johnson
>>
>> <mailto:FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com> FletcherSJohnson@Yahoo.com
>>
>> <http://linkedin.com/in/FletcherJohnson> LinkedIn.com/in/FletcherJohnson
>>
>> twitter.com/fletcherJ
>>
>> <https://www.strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson>
>> strava.com/athletes/fletcherjohnson
>>
>> 408-946-0960 - work
>>
>> 408-781-2345 - cell
>>
>>
>>
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