Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
environment.
Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and
present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
Apply monthly price updates on items due to what the contract has for that
customer. We then write those updates back to the ERP as well as send out
a notification letter to every customer about price updates.
When your data is in THIS cloud you give up the right to query it. Do they
give access to APIs to pull what we need? Well they will think about that
is what I thought I just heard.
Happy Happy Joy Joy it looks like the next 2 quarters are going to be
learning how to waste time on phone calls.
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At 13:53 2018-05-23, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Happy Happy Joy Joy it looks like the next 2 quarters are going to be
>learning how to waste time on phone calls.
You have been fortunate not to have had to learn this
before. Welcome to the quagmire.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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Name and shame.... Cloud and ERP!!
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Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data environment.
Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
Apply monthly price updates on items due to what the contract has for that customer. We then write those updates back to the ERP as well as send out a notification letter to every customer about price updates.
When your data is in THIS cloud you give up the right to query it. Do they give access to APIs to pull what we need? Well they will think about that is what I thought I just heard.
Happy Happy Joy Joy it looks like the next 2 quarters are going to be learning how to waste time on phone calls.
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Why .. it's almost as if the cloud *isn't* the best solution for all use cases.
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Maybe a case of not being able to see the wood for the trees, or in this case not being able to see the sky for the cloud!
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Why .. it's almost as if the cloud *isn't* the best solution for all use cases.
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On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 4:53 PM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
> environment.
>
Well, luckily, ERP apps are all the same, so you can just shop for
another one, right? ;)
Walled-garden apps stink.
"When you choose to ride the tiger, you must go where the tiger goes."
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The benefit of the cloud is we no longer have to update versions of the
quagmire of products we have. Updates to the main product take months to
prepare for and 2 days to install and test.
In their cloud, we no longer have to do this and that is the 100% gain to
our department.
If we get APIs to access our data that would fantastic. There is a
messaging system, ION, that will move work for us and allow us to pick up
actions or create them ourselves. This is on a single transaction basis.
Of course, we need to iterate through records to identify what needs to be
tweaked. That is our primary challenge as of today. :)
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Dave Crozier <DaveC@flexipol.co.uk> wrote:
> Name and shame.... Cloud and ERP!!
>
> Dave Crozier
> Software Development Manager
> Flexipol Packaging Ltd.
>
>
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> Flexipol Packaging Ltd. ("The Company") has received in cash or cleared
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> to be sold by the seller to the buyer for which payment is then due. Until
> such time as the property in the goods passes to the buyer, the buyer shall
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> To: ProFox Email List <profox@leafe.com>
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>
> Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
> environment.
>
> Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and
> present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
>
> Apply monthly price updates on items due to what the contract has for that
> customer. We then write those updates back to the ERP as well as send out
> a notification letter to every customer about price updates.
>
> When your data is in THIS cloud you give up the right to query it. Do
> they give access to APIs to pull what we need? Well they will think about
> that is what I thought I just heard.
>
> Happy Happy Joy Joy it looks like the next 2 quarters are going to be
> learning how to waste time on phone calls.
>
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Analyst
> Ring Container Technology
> Oakland TN
>
> 901.246-0159 cell
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Is it your ERP vendor? Or is it your boss? If it's the latter case,
you could not say no. :)
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
> environment.
>
> Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and
> present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
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The Director is looking at the Cloud in a financial way that "appears" to
be positive to our bottom line. That is not only in fees but in TIME that
her staff is attempting to identify what if anything is wrong for users.
We are a small shop of IT for 22 plants who use a great deal of automation
in the MFG process generating finished goods, food containers, that are
sold to the edible oil industry. You cannot call us up and just order
something. We have no inventory of FG to speak of. All product is blown
this or last week and will be delivered this or next week. Our customers
are only placed on 1-2-5 year contracts to supply them with containers. We
know what they want before they ask for it via a PO because of our
long-time relationship with them in 10-20+ years of service.
The IT department has created a lot of products that are external to the
ERP that fulfills users demands for information or manipulation. A DW is
one thing, Specifications on all our items is another. Leveraging sales
data into CRM is a third and within CRM we have 4 products that deal with
injuries or defects or complaints.
We have a version of software issue and have had that for 10+ years. the
ERP itself is rarely updated, every 4-5 years. Between those updates, we
add in other products by the same vendor to work with our "system of
record". The version of the add on expects a newer version of ERP is the
rock we bang our heads against all the time. That being said if the vendor
could update the stack on their side monthly or as needed we do not have to
get into doing that ever again. That is a savings of thousands of man
hours across the team over 3-6 months.
This is the low hanging fruit the Director is attempting to harvest for us
and our company.
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Man-wai Chang <changmw@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it your ERP vendor? Or is it your boss? If it's the latter case,
> you could not say no. :)
>
> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
> > environment.
> >
> > Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and
> > present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
>
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There have been more than one of my clients who make the move to the cloud
only to find that key functionality that is required for their business to
function properly is lost. This might be due to loss of direct access to
their data, or worse, the cloud version of the ERP isn't nearly as complete
or mature as the self-hosted product. Either way, it costs way more than
just time and money. Sanity and common sense are often victims as well.
No one has ever been able to satifactorily explain to me why remote hosting
your data on a server you do not control, in a place where you do not have
physical access, managed by people you did not hire, connected via a service
provided by a third party provider with crappy customer service and paid for
on a monthly fee basis was EVER a good idea for ANY business regardless of
the "benefits".
Seems to me, it's like putting your data into a nursing home, trusting the
staff to feed and care for your data properly and hoping they keep your data
in good shape so you can visit it once in a while.
Paul H. Tarver
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Our ERP vendor wants us to jump into the cloud in a multi-tenant data
environment.
Sucks for us having written many applications that read that data and
present it to users to get things done that the ERP doesn't do today.
Apply monthly price updates on items due to what the contract has for that
customer. We then write those updates back to the ERP as well as send out
a notification letter to every customer about price updates.
When your data is in THIS cloud you give up the right to query it. Do they
give access to APIs to pull what we need? Well they will think about that
is what I thought I just heard.
Happy Happy Joy Joy it looks like the next 2 quarters are going to be
learning how to waste time on phone calls.
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Sr. Analyst
Ring Container Technology
Oakland TN
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