Great watch here.
Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU
I like how he looks at a problem.
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Steve - pretty Cool Arse video! I especially got a kick out of one shot about 1:40 in which shows Zortrax 3D Printers being used for his devices. I will continue to watch the rest of the video piecemeal - as its definitely interesting!
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Great watch here.
Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU
I like how he looks at a problem.
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I don't think either of my cars have the interfaces he plans to plug
into (2009 Audi A3; 2010 Tata Nano).
On 01-Nov-2017 12:30 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Great watch here.
>
> Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU
>
> I like how he looks at a problem.
>
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Interesting video. I wonder if it will pan out. Remember all the hype about hydrogen cars?
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Great watch here.
Super Hacker George Hotz: I Can Make Your Car Drive Itself for Under $1,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdYbwY9vPU
I like how he looks at a problem.
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> Interesting video. I wonder if it will pan out. Remember all the hype
> about hydrogen cars?
I doubt we'll see widespread adoption of fully autonomous road vehicles
in any of our lifetimes. Even if the tech problems were solved, which
they are far from being despite the hype, I'm still unclear as to what
problem it would solve. Road deaths? I suspect putting the money into
driver education and enforcement would yield better returns. About the
only sensible application I can see is for disabled people.
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On Nov 10, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:
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> I doubt we'll see widespread adoption of fully autonomous road vehicles
> in any of our lifetimes. Even if the tech problems were solved, which
> they are far from being despite the hype, I'm still unclear as to what
> problem it would solve. Road deaths? I suspect putting the money into
> driver education and enforcement would yield better returns. About the
> only sensible application I can see is for disabled people.
Think of it as mass transit that is tailored to each person’s needs. Buses and trains are OK, but they only go to certain places at certain times. What if I have an opportunity to work somewhere, but it is a bit far away and I don’t have enough money to own a car. A system of state-owned autonomous cars would mean that I could get a ride to and from work when I need to go, and only pay for that, instead of having to buy an entire car for myself. Or perhaps I’m old and the only market I can walk to is expensive and has a terrible selection. With autonomous cars, I could be driven to a much better market without having to pay for exorbitant taxi fees.
Those are just examples I made up just now. Personally, I own a car, but since I work from my home, I rarely need it. Most of the time it sits in the driveway, and is only used when I have to go somewhere. I would much prefer to pull up an app on my phone, get picked up and taken to my destination, and would gladly pay what that would cost. It would be much, much cheaper than having to shell out the huge down payment and significant monthly payments on my car, as well as the several thousand dollars of insurance I pay each year just to have that car available when I need it. Fortunately for me I earn enough to afford such luxury, but not everyone is as fortunate as I am.
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Hi Alan,
>> I'm still unclear as to what problem it would solve. <<
You should read Elon Musk's view of the world problems. Start reading here:
https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html
The interesting part (for this thread at least) is about the climatic and energy problems. We need less privately owned cars, because all cars are used only 10% of the day. The other 90% they just occupy space. That's where autonmous driving kicks in: You just call a car and it will drive to your location. After you're done, it just waits for the next caller. And guess wwhat: The Tesla Model3 is already completely adopted to that idea. It's completely electronically controlled (that's why you don't find any regular switches, knobs or whatever, besides of the some elementary things like blinker, light, direction). The idea is that your car earns his money at times where you don't need it, by renting it to other passengers. We could reduce pollution, energy-consumption and city-crowding with that concept. Just imagine a car which parks itself, connects to a charger by itself and drives to your location to pick you up. All done with AI and autonmous driving.
wOOdy
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> All done with AI and autonmous driving.
Neither of those things exist though, despite a lot of hype around at
the minute.
Especially AI in any sort of broad meaning of the term. An automobile
visual system that can make a value judgement to run over a dog instead
of a child in a split second where those two things run out onto the
road and it's too late to brake - are we any closer to that than we were
20 years ago?
I think if it's work commuting we're trying to eliminate then
decentralisation and serious adoption of homeworking would be a more
realistic goal.
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Why not rent when you need the vehicle as in your expample, not your
personal life.
To me the vehicle is freedom. I don't like the cruise experience because I
have to give up all freedom of coming and going when I want to. Having an
app on my phone is just intrusive to my life. I need to get to the store
because I need two ingredients from the international food store for some
chili for this weekend. I don't want to get a ride there and have to wait
for a second ride back. My time is too valuable waiting for a cab by any
other name.
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 4:18 AM, Ed Leafe <ed@leafe.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >
> > I doubt we'll see widespread adoption of fully autonomous road vehicles
> > in any of our lifetimes. Even if the tech problems were solved, which
> > they are far from being despite the hype, I'm still unclear as to what
> > problem it would solve. Road deaths? I suspect putting the money into
> > driver education and enforcement would yield better returns. About the
> > only sensible application I can see is for disabled people.
>
> Think of it as mass transit that is tailored to each person’s needs. Buses
> and trains are OK, but they only go to certain places at certain times.
> What if I have an opportunity to work somewhere, but it is a bit far away
> and I don’t have enough money to own a car. A system of state-owned
> autonomous cars would mean that I could get a ride to and from work when I
> need to go, and only pay for that, instead of having to buy an entire car
> for myself. Or perhaps I’m old and the only market I can walk to is
> expensive and has a terrible selection. With autonomous cars, I could be
> driven to a much better market without having to pay for exorbitant taxi
> fees.
>
> Those are just examples I made up just now. Personally, I own a car, but
> since I work from my home, I rarely need it. Most of the time it sits in
> the driveway, and is only used when I have to go somewhere. I would much
> prefer to pull up an app on my phone, get picked up and taken to my
> destination, and would gladly pay what that would cost. It would be much,
> much cheaper than having to shell out the huge down payment and significant
> monthly payments on my car, as well as the several thousand dollars of
> insurance I pay each year just to have that car available when I need it.
> Fortunately for me I earn enough to afford such luxury, but not everyone is
> as fortunate as I am.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 10-Nov-2017 5:38 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:
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> I think if it's work commuting we're trying to eliminate then
> decentralisation and serious adoption of homeworking would be a more
> realistic goal.
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