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2017-08-09 19:14Ted Roche : [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-09 19:23Mike : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-09 19:37Ken Dibble : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 02:41Michael Madigan : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 05:15Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 05:18Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 05:41Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 05:46Peter Cushing : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 06:06Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
2017-08-10 12:30Ted Roche : Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?
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[NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-09 19:14:33   Link

One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the

shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.

Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs

Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)

Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,

and waited.

Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After

patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked

okay for a while.

Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the

recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her

machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?

Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.

Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous

rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so

attempts, never works.

Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Mike

Posted: 2017-08-09 19:23:08   Link

I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that

helped.

CONTROL PANEL

UPDATE AND SECURITY

UPDATE HISTORY

UNINSTALL UPDATES

Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.

Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset,

NIC, etc) are as up-to-date as possible.

Mike Copeland

Ted Roche wrote:

> One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the

> shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.

>

> Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs

> Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)

>

> Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,

> and waited.

>

> Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After

> patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked

> okay for a while.

>

> Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the

> recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

>

> Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

>

> Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her

> machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?

>

> Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.

>

> Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous

> rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so

> attempts, never works.

>

> Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?

>

>

>

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ken Dibble

Posted: 2017-08-09 19:37:06   Link

>Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the

>recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

>

>Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why

the user thinks nothing has been installed?

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html

Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2017-08-10 02:41:08   Link

I would just reboot it again.

Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is slow, and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is  OK.  I've never seen it ask for another restart before.

Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if it's slow.

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Subject: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

One of our office workstations has been very unhappy since the

shutdown Tuesday asked to install updates.

Dell Precision M6800 Workstation i7 2.80GHz, 16 Gb RAM, dual 1Gb HDDs

Windows 10 Pro Version 1607 (14393.1593)

Got the usual "Updating..." when restarting this morning. And waited,

and waited.

Restarting was sluggish, WiFi kept starting and stopping, After

patiently waiting a few minutes, shut down cold and restarted. Worked

okay for a while.

Later, "Restart Now or Restart Later?" revealed that some of the

recent updates STILL were not successfully installed. Restarted.

Lather, rinse and repeat the above three times.

Attempting to persuade the ever-patient associate not to throw her

machine out the window. "That's why they call it Windows," right?

Nothing obvious in the error logs. No disk errors.

Next step will likely be to attempt to restore from the previous

rescue point which, in my limited experience of a dozen or so

attempts, never works.

Ideas? Suggestions? Mocking?

--

Ted Roche

Ted Roche & Associates, LLC

http://www.tedroche.com

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-10 05:15:03   Link

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Mike <mike@ggisoft.com> wrote:

> I would roll back the updates individually, then reboot to see if that

> helped.

> CONTROL PANEL

> UPDATE AND SECURITY

> UPDATE HISTORY

> UNINSTALL UPDATES

>

> Look for the most recent "Installed on" and start un-installing.

Sorted on the "Installed On" date and got 90 (NINETY!) "Update for

Microsoft Office 2013" -- yikes!

> Only other idea would be to make sure all the drivers (video, chipset, NIC,

> etc) are as up-to-date as possible.

Did that last month before applying the Creator's Update.

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-10 05:18:05   Link

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble <krdibble@stny.rr.com> wrote:

>

> A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the user

> thinks nothing has been installed?

>

> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html

I've got to get back to reading wOOdy's column more regularly!

> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)

Yeah, a mixed blessing at its very best. A lot of folks wouldn't

update at all if the machine didn't do it for them, but I'd really

like to wait 48 hours and let other people find out the updates aren't

working.

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-10 05:41:37   Link

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would just reboot it again.

>

> Every couple of months I'll get a call on a Wednesday that my software is slow, and every time I tell them to reboot the servers and everything is OK. I've never seen it ask for another restart before.

> Now i send them an email on Tuesday to reboot their servers on Wednesday, if it's slow.

>

Good idea. I've pretty much worn out the power switch. Windows ALWAYS

should be rebooted after updates, I think, because the MS engineers

just don't understand how all the caching and retained-in-memory.-DLLs

and write caching and such actually work in the real world of

heterogenous machines, OSes, etc.

The biggest problem with this one is all the background processes.

With a high-end processor, too much RAM and HDD, the machine loads

~100 processes at startup, and stuff starts updating and caching and

so forth. Without digging into the Task Manager, there's no clue to

the operator that anything is happening other than the machine is

really slow and unresponsive.

One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the

app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"

message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means

a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows

Explorer and click on the red X's

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Peter Cushing

Posted: 2017-08-10 05:46:16   Link

On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:

>

> One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the

> app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"

> message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means

> a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows

> Explorer and click on the red X's

>

I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens. It's easier for

them to remember ;-)

Peter

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-10 06:06:49   Link

"Good morning, IT: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"

It would be easier, but it takes so long for them to get their

workstations set up, logged in, etc.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Peter Cushing

<pcushing@whisperingsmith.com> wrote:

>

> On 10/08/2017 11:41, Ted Roche wrote:

>>

>>

>> One of our clients calls after every second Tuesday complaining the

>> app fails on startup with an "goDataManager is not an object error"

>> message, despite the fact that we've told them for 10 years that means

>> a network share is disconnected, and they should go into their Windows

>> Explorer and click on the red X's

>>

> I'd tell them to restart the machine if this happens. It's easier for them

> to remember ;-)

>

> Peter

>

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Re: [NF] Windows updates August problems?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-08-10 12:30:57   Link

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Ken Dibble <krdibble@stny.rr.com> wrote>

>

> A recent Win 10 update broke the Update History. Could that be why the user

> thinks nothing has been installed?

>

> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3214488/microsoft-windows/windows-10-1607-cumulative-update-kb-4034658-wipes-out-update-history.html

>

> Windows Automatic Updates. Just Say No. (TM)

>

And as a double-bonus, if you had any updates hidden, say because they

corrupted your machine, the cumulative update un-hid them so they get

applied and, *boom*.

How can you not love the company that does this?

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