One more point for the desktop application: Navigation.
I've worked with many applications that are intense data entry - and the best
ones can be 'driven' entirely from the keyboard. You don't have to reach for
the mouse to make selections, etc. Of course, there are those users that don't
know where the TAB key is...
Trying to fill out forms on the Web? Only about one half of the web pages I
encounter can even set focus to the first fillable field - let alone navigate
the entire page efficiently. (bank login pages...)
But, we mostly just put up with what we are given.
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On 6/6/2017 5:04 AM, profoxtech-request@leafe.com wrote:
> e: [NF] PyQT for desktop applications
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Brant E. Layton <dcci@futureone.com> wrote:
> One more point for the desktop application: Navigation.
>
> I've worked with many applications that are intense data entry - and the
> best ones can be 'driven' entirely from the keyboard. You don't have to
> reach for the mouse to make selections, etc. Of course, there are those
> users that don't know where the TAB key is...
>
> Trying to fill out forms on the Web? Only about one half of the web pages
> I encounter can even set focus to the first fillable field - let alone
> navigate the entire page efficiently. (bank login pages...)
>
> But, we mostly just put up with what we are given.
>
> ----------------------
Didn't millions of people do their tax returns online this past year?
Doing apps for the web is NOT like doing an app for the desktop and way too
many developers make the mistake thinking "its and app".
Then you are told to make it work on the phone. so you stuff all that crap
onto a smaller landscape because "its just an app".
Does anyone still have VCR buttons on their screens for next, previous,
search, edit, bla-bla-bla?
Our ERP system is 100% web and it is all data entry as well. There are
only 35,256 tables in this SQL Server database for the system. It keeps
250-400 users humming through the day no problem and everything is real
fast no matter where in the world you access it from.
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At 10:26 2017-06-06, "Brant E. Layton" <dcci@futureone.com> wrote:
>One more point for the desktop application: Navigation.
>
>I've worked with many applications that are intense data entry - and
>the best ones can be 'driven' entirely from the keyboard. You don't
>have to reach for the mouse to make selections, etc. Of course,
>there are those users that don't know where the TAB key is...
>
>Trying to fill out forms on the Web? Only about one half of the web
>pages I encounter can even set focus to the first fillable field -
>let alone navigate the entire page efficiently. (bank login pages...)
>
>But, we mostly just put up with what we are given.
I also find that Web forms are often laid out badly. They can
not count on a screen size so they go with the one-per-line model:
Data Item 1: _____
Data Item 2: _________________________
Data Item 3: __________________________________________________
Data Item 4: _____
Data Item 5: __________
even if it would be clearer to have more than one item on a line
(such as with addresses). This often overflows off the bottom the
screen. My desktop app does not have this problem.
I saw one page that I greatly regret not having saved the URL
for. It was made very "pretty". As a result, each data item (one
per line) took about triple the vertical space it needed. Worse,
there were no cues as to how long the input could be. I filled in a
reference of about 35-40 characters and when I submitted the form,
only then was I told that input was limited to 12 characters.
I very much dislike Web forms.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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On Jun 6, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>
> I also find that Web forms are often laid out badly.
I cannot begin to tell you how many awful desktop application layouts I have seen. I don’t use that experience to paint all desktop applications as terrible.
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
> I also find that Web forms are often laid out badly. They can not
> count on a screen size so they go with the one-per-line model:
> Data Item 1: _____
> Data Item 2: _________________________
> Data Item 3: __________________________________________________
> Data Item 4: _____
> Data Item 5: __________
> even if it would be clearer to have more than one item on a line (such as
> with addresses). This often overflows off the bottom the screen. My
> desktop app does not have this problem.
> ------
Really it is the content within the <div> tags. Adding "space" to have the
labels line up in an orderly row is not done any more.
> I saw one page that I greatly regret not having saved the URL for.
> It was made very "pretty". As a result, each data item (one per line) took
> about triple the vertical space it needed. Worse, there were no cues as to
> how long the input could be. I filled in a reference of about 35-40
> characters and when I submitted the form, only then was I told that input
> was limited to 12 characters.
> ----------------
>
The display doesn't maintain the rules. The first submit click may render
them because you failed to know it all ahead of time < sarcasm >.
the rules are either javascript, css, or a combination of the two.
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Author: mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com
Posted: 2017-06-06 23:28:04 Link
On 2017-06-06 13:26, Brant E. Layton wrote:
> One more point for the desktop application: Navigation.
>
> I've worked with many applications that are intense data entry - and
> the best ones can be 'driven' entirely from the keyboard. You don't
> have to reach for the mouse to make selections, etc. Of course, there
> are those users that don't know where the TAB key is...
>
> Trying to fill out forms on the Web? Only about one half of the web
> pages I encounter can even set focus to the first fillable field - let
> alone navigate the entire page efficiently. (bank login pages...)
>
> But, we mostly just put up with what we are given.
I was surprised years ago (and somewhat still am) with how low the bar
got set on what was an acceptable UX on a website. Much of that would
have NEVER been tolerated in a desktop app.
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At 21:28 2017-06-06, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
[snip]
>I was surprised years ago (and somewhat still am) with how low the
>bar got set on what was an acceptable UX on a website. Much of that
>would have NEVER been tolerated in a desktop app.
<sarcasm style="dripping">But Web app UX has been improving
oh-so-much-more than desktop apps for some time now.</sarcasm>
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> I was surprised years ago (and somewhat still am) with how low the bar
> got set on what was an acceptable UX on a website. Much of that would
> have NEVER been tolerated in a desktop app.
A lot of that was due to the previously mentioned mess that was and is
browser support. Things are a lot, lot better now in this respect with
the ubiquity of Bootstrap, JQuery and the like. You can be reasonably
confident how something will look across different screen sizes using
the developer tools in the various browsers without actually needing
physical devices.
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:55 AM, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
> At 21:28 2017-06-06, mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> I was surprised years ago (and somewhat still am) with how low the bar got
>> set on what was an acceptable UX on a website. Much of that would have
>> NEVER been tolerated in a desktop app.
>>
>
> <sarcasm style="dripping">But Web app UX has been improving
> oh-so-much-more than desktop apps for some time now.</sarcasm>
>
> ------------------------------
For some reason, you see UX like a painter who's medium is oil based. When
presented water colors you do not know how to express your craft with the
tools and call them inferior because of it.
In the end, both mediums can be crafted and form great pieces of art. The
petty bickering between the artist gets redundant after a while.
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> I was surprised years ago (and somewhat still am) with how low the bar got set on what was an acceptable UX on a website. Much of that would have NEVER been tolerated in a desktop app.
http://thedailywtf.com/images/2/o_filematrix.png <http://thedailywtf.com/images/2/o_filematrix.png>
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