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2017-04-11 06:30Richard Kaye : VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-11 07:13Ted Roche : Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-11 07:43Richard Kaye : RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-11 08:19Wollenhaupt, Christof : Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-11 08:44Richard Kaye : RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-11 16:57mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com: Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-12 04:58Wollenhaupt, Christof : Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-12 06:05Alan Bourke : Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-12 06:06Alan Bourke : Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
2017-04-12 07:54Richard Kaye : RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes
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VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Richard Kaye

Posted: 2017-04-11 06:30:26   Link

Throwing this out to the collective wisdom.

I've recently rolled out a hosted environment for my application. So I'm in the cloud... I've been observing random hard application errors, particularly around running reports. Of course, it's not consistent. A user will be able to run a report with no errors just fine one time and then other times the same report will just result in an application crash. What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are mainly C6 errors. The Google gave me some recommendations about setting the EXE and the runtime DLLs read-only but I'm hoping that out there in Profox land this might ring some bells.

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2017-04-11 07:13:20   Link

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Richard Kaye <rkaye@invaluable.com> wrote:

> Throwing this out to the collective wisdom.

>

> I've recently rolled out a hosted environment for my application. So I'm in the cloud...

It's hard to see clearly with your head in the clouds...

Which cloud? I'm guessing multiple WIndows X VMs hosted on...

something. Azure? Amazon? Hosted server? What brand/version of all?

> I've been observing random hard application errors, particularly around running reports. Of course, it's not consistent.

Which VFP? Reports using VFP9 or VFP8 compatibility? New Report

listeners or old "classic" FRXs?

How was VFP installed? Are all the runtimes the same version? Are they

patched up to Sedna + service packs?

Install vFoxRun if you haven't already. This is a *GREAT* tool for

debugging (Thanks, Ed!) Then you can test things like VERSION(), and

REPORT FORM right from the commandline, in your runtime environment.

One owner of our vertical-niche app runs virtualized, using RDP and TS

to run multiple workstations on a hosted WInServer2008. There are lots

of kinks with TMPFILES and sharing...

> A user will be able to run a report with no errors just fine one time and then other times the same report will just result in an application crash. What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are mainly C6 errors. The Google gave me some recommendations about setting the EXE and the runtime DLLs read-only but I'm hoping that out there in Profox land this might ring some bells.

*ding*

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RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Richard Kaye

Posted: 2017-04-11 07:43:17   Link

Thanks, Ted. And I apologize for the initial vague description.

This is a Windows 2012 R2 VM in our own corporate "cloud". There is also another VM running SQL 2014 which it connects to via ODBC.

No VFP installation, per se. It's just my EXE and the appropriate DLLs/FLLs.

VFP9 SP2. All proper versions of DLLs to match. Using REPORTENGINE 90. Using XFRX previewer instead of the native previewer. Not using a ton of report listeners in general but of course, the XFRX previewer does.

I have a back door built into my EXE. It's not as slick as VFOXRUN but it gets the job done.

Yes, the TMPFILES/sharing stuff is definitely a bit on the tricky side. Our app config is typically set to a local folder on the C drive but when run via RDP we redirect to a unique location for each user logged in. Having said that, you've given me an idea to try out.

I also just added the R attribute to the 3 report*.app files. Since the majority of the crashes seem to revolve around reporting, maybe that will be the magic bullet.

I also just cleaned out any saved printer environments.

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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Richard Kaye <rkaye@invaluable.com> wrote:

> Throwing this out to the collective wisdom.

>

> I've recently rolled out a hosted environment for my application. So I'm in the cloud...

It's hard to see clearly with your head in the clouds...

Which cloud? I'm guessing multiple WIndows X VMs hosted on...

something. Azure? Amazon? Hosted server? What brand/version of all?

> I've been observing random hard application errors, particularly around running reports. Of course, it's not consistent.

Which VFP? Reports using VFP9 or VFP8 compatibility? New Report

listeners or old "classic" FRXs?

How was VFP installed? Are all the runtimes the same version? Are they

patched up to Sedna + service packs?

Install vFoxRun if you haven't already. This is a *GREAT* tool for

debugging (Thanks, Ed!) Then you can test things like VERSION(), and

REPORT FORM right from the commandline, in your runtime environment.

One owner of our vertical-niche app runs virtualized, using RDP and TS

to run multiple workstations on a hosted WInServer2008. There are lots

of kinks with TMPFILES and sharing...

> A user will be able to run a report with no errors just fine one time and then other times the same report will just result in an application crash. What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are mainly C6 errors. The Google gave me some recommendations about setting the EXE and the runtime DLLs read-only but I'm hoping that out there in Profox land this might ring some bells.

*ding*

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Wollenhaupt, Christof

Posted: 2017-04-11 08:19:22   Link

>

> What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are

> mainly C6 errors.

>

C6 errors occur when VFP opens a file using memory mapping (APP, EXE, DLL,

mostly), accesses a part of the file that is mapped into memory and the

file isn't accessible. Usually this happens when the network was briefly

disconnected and the SMB session became invalid. Typical reasons are flaky

WiFi connections, slow VPNs or virus scanners suddenly detecting a

heuristic pattern.

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RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Richard Kaye

Posted: 2017-04-11 08:44:47   Link

Thanks for the details, Christof. Greatly appreciated. I had mentioned to my IT team that this appeared to be some kind of network related issue. I will pass this info on to them.

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>

> What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are

> mainly C6 errors.

>

C6 errors occur when VFP opens a file using memory mapping (APP, EXE, DLL,

mostly), accesses a part of the file that is mapped into memory and the

file isn't accessible. Usually this happens when the network was briefly

disconnected and the SMB session became invalid. Typical reasons are flaky

WiFi connections, slow VPNs or virus scanners suddenly detecting a

heuristic pattern.

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com

Posted: 2017-04-11 16:57:39   Link

On 2017-04-11 09:19, Wollenhaupt, Christof wrote:

>>

>> What I'm seeing in the Windows application log when this happens are

>> mainly C6 errors.

>>

>

> C6 errors occur when VFP opens a file using memory mapping (APP, EXE,

> DLL,

> mostly), accesses a part of the file that is mapped into memory and the

> file isn't accessible. Usually this happens when the network was

> briefly

> disconnected and the SMB session became invalid. Typical reasons are

> flaky

> WiFi connections, slow VPNs or virus scanners suddenly detecting a

> heuristic pattern.

To that point--would copying the FRX/FRT locally and running from there

be a better option to avoid that?

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Wollenhaupt, Christof

Posted: 2017-04-12 04:58:36   Link

>

> To that point--would copying the FRX/FRT locally and running from there be

> a better option to avoid that?

>

It would depend on which file is causing the problem... It certainly would

be worth a try. If the EXE or any of the REPORT*.APP files is on the

network it also would help to copy those to a local drive. Same is true for

any DLL or OCX you use.

Another issue that causes crashes mostly when printing, but usually

wouldn't result in a C6 exception, is the floating point problem. 15 years

ago HP printers where notoriously famous for changing the exception

handling for the floating point unit so that a division by zero caused a

crash instead of returning NaN (not a number).

To work around this, we have

DECLARE _fpreset in MSVCR71.DLL

_fpreset()

everywhere in our program where we access a printer driver. So before and

after printing a report, selecting a printer, listing printers, etc.

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2017-04-12 06:05:53   Link

IMO in general with multiuser applications the safest approach is to

programmatically copy the report FRX\FRT to the user's temp location

with unique filenames, run the report using the copied files, and delete

them afterward.

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Re: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2017-04-12 06:06:52   Link

On Wed, 12 Apr 2017, at 10:58 AM, Wollenhaupt, Christof wrote:

> ago HP printers where notoriously famous for changing the exception

> handling for the floating point uni

Now they're famous for their PCL6 drivers *still* being a pile of crap.

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RE: VFP EXE and RDS random crashes

Author: Richard Kaye

Posted: 2017-04-12 07:54:44   Link

I have vague memories of the floating point bug and will look at getting that in place as suggested.

Just to clarify here, all users are accessing the EXE using RDP. There is no "local" C drive as far as they are concerned. And while there is a drive mapped to a share, it is all self-contained on the same VM. So it seems odd that it might drop the network connection to itself but...

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>

> To that point--would copying the FRX/FRT locally and running from there be

> a better option to avoid that?

>

It would depend on which file is causing the problem... It certainly would

be worth a try. If the EXE or any of the REPORT*.APP files is on the

network it also would help to copy those to a local drive. Same is true for

any DLL or OCX you use.

Another issue that causes crashes mostly when printing, but usually

wouldn't result in a C6 exception, is the floating point problem. 15 years

ago HP printers where notoriously famous for changing the exception

handling for the floating point unit so that a division by zero caused a

crash instead of returning NaN (not a number).

To work around this, we have

DECLARE _fpreset in MSVCR71.DLL

_fpreset()

everywhere in our program where we access a printer driver. So before and

after printing a report, selecting a printer, listing printers, etc.

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