Oracle never letting us down.
"The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally
this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their
Java licences."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/
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On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oracle never letting us down.
>
> "The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally
> this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their
> Java licences."
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/
That's why I went with Python 15 years ago, even though Java was way more popular at the time. I'll never tie my career to a proprietary product again. My time with VFP taught me that.
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java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10 years
ago.
I would agree that for you java is too restrictive in how to program with
it.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Ed Leafe <ed@leafe.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Oracle never letting us down.
> >
> > "The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally
> > this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their
> > Java licences."
> >
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_
> java_users_non_compliance/
>
> That's why I went with Python 15 years ago, even though Java was way more
> popular at the time. I'll never tie my career to a proprietary product
> again. My time with VFP taught me that.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
> java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10 years
> ago.
It may have been "open source", but it was never free software. Free software lets you do with it whatever you like. For example, if Oracle somehow bought the Python Software Foundation (not very likely), nothing would prevent you from taking your copy of Python and making your own fork. There is simply zero possibility of it ever becoming tied up by some entity.
"Open source" doesn't mean anything if you can't use that source for your own needs.
-- Ed Leafe
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Our ERP here at work is all in java. RPITA and full of surprises with
respect java version and what will work and what no longer works.
They also do a command line call for all SQL data. I was pretty impressed
with that, to be honest.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Ed Leafe <ed@leafe.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > java was OS fifteen years ago just like python. Oracle bought Sun 10
> years
> > ago.
>
> It may have been "open source", but it was never free software. Free
> software lets you do with it whatever you like. For example, if Oracle
> somehow bought the Python Software Foundation (not very likely), nothing
> would prevent you from taking your copy of Python and making your own fork.
> There is simply zero possibility of it ever becoming tied up by some entity.
>
> "Open source" doesn't mean anything if you can't use that source for your
> own needs.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I didn't know there was a Java licence to compile to.... something
like Foxpro distributable? :)
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:13 AM, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oracle never letting us down.
>
> "The database giant is understood to have hired 20 individuals globally
> this year, whose sole job is the pursuit of businesses in breach of their
> Java licences."
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/16/oracle_targets_java_users_non_compliance/
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For clarity - Java SE remains free for 'general purpose computing' i.e.
desktops, notebooks, smartphones and tablets.
It is not free when embedded in phones, network switches and the like.
The Java SE download contains Java SE, Java SE Advanced Desktop, Java SE
Advanced and Java SE Suite. If you only use Java SE, then you're fine.
If you use one of the other bits, you owe.
One problem is that you can't just download Java SE in isolation. You
have to download the whole shebang and then remove the parts that might
end up getting you charged. Another problem is that if you have to do
big roll-outs you need the advanced installer, and you then owe Oracle.
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Isn't most android stuff implemented in Java?
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At 02:39 2016-12-21, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>For clarity - Java SE remains free for 'general purpose computing' i.e.
>desktops, notebooks, smartphones and tablets.
>
>It is not free when embedded in phones, network switches and the like.
Clear as mud.
While I prefer a desktop system, many (and it may be most)
computer users use their phone. How is the majority not general?
[snip]
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Gene Wirchenko
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Java the language was released as GPL by SUN Microsystems. However
some of the core class libraries and other features were included in
various SDK and JDK and are proprietary and owned by SUN and now
Oracle. Some of these runtimes are called "Java Platform."
There are free alternatives like ClassPath for the core libraries and
IcedTea for the browser applet but the field is littered with
landmines.
Wikipedia attempts to explain it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)
See, especially "Java Platform"
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> wrote:
> At 02:39 2016-12-21, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> For clarity - Java SE remains free for 'general purpose computing' i.e.
>> desktops, notebooks, smartphones and tablets.
>>
>> It is not free when embedded in phones, network switches and the like.
>
>
> Clear as mud.
>
> While I prefer a desktop system, many (and it may be most) computer
> users use their phone. How is the majority not general?
>
> [snip]
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Gene Wirchenko
>
>
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