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2016-11-04 09:29Ted Roche : Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 09:41Laurie Alvey : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 12:34Gene Wirchenko : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 13:09Gojko B. : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 13:11Gojko B. : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 13:37Kurt Wendt : RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 14:30Ted Roche : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 15:54Kevin J Cully : RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 17:36Bill Anderson : Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
2016-11-04 21:38mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com: Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?
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Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2016-11-04 09:29:48   Link

I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original

Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city),

Massachusetts.

Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to

get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and

getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state

between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of

strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary

key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.

I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented

base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.

In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked

as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and

developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of

the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now

"Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I

was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first

client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with

Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress,

although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge

and skills.

So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

__ Built my own

__ Whatever the client runs

__ Codebook

__ COMCodebook

__ MaxFrame Professional

__ Visual Express

__ Visual Extend

__ Mere Mortals

__ VFP Foundation Classes

__ Visual ProMatrix

__ Mere Mortals

__ Other (please specify)

__ All of the Above

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Laurie Alvey

Posted: 2016-11-04 09:41:59   Link

Built my own. Couldn't afford the commercial ones and no client was willing

to pay.

Laurie

On 4 November 2016 at 14:29, Ted Roche <tedroche@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original

> Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city),

> Massachusetts.

>

> Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to

> get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and

> getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state

> between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of

> strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary

> key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.

>

> I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented

> base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.

>

> In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked

> as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and

> developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of

> the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now

> "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I

> was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first

> client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with

> Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress,

> although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge

> and skills.

>

> So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

>

> __ Built my own

>

> __ Whatever the client runs

>

> __ Codebook

>

> __ COMCodebook

>

> __ MaxFrame Professional

>

> __ Visual Express

>

> __ Visual Extend

>

> __ Mere Mortals

>

> __ VFP Foundation Classes

>

> __ Visual ProMatrix

>

> __ Mere Mortals

>

> __ Other (please specify)

>

> __ All of the Above

>

> --

> Ted Roche

> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC

> http://www.tedroche.com

>

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Gene Wirchenko

Posted: 2016-11-04 12:34:46   Link

At 07:29 2016-11-04, Ted Roche <tedroche@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

>So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

>

>__ Built my own

It is this or nothing.

My boss has a way of asking for things that break my

paradigm. I would rather be trying to rework my code than someone else's.

Fortunately, he has not done this for several years now, but

when the app was in busy development, there were some interesting times.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Gojko B.

Posted: 2016-11-04 13:09:25   Link

Codemine

Gojko B.

At 15:29 4.11.2016, you wrote:

>I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original

>Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city),

>Massachusetts.

>

>Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to

>get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and

>getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state

>between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of

>strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary

>key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.

>

>I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented

>base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.

>

>In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked

>as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and

>developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of

>the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now

>"Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I

>was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first

>client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with

>Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress,

>although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge

>and skills.

>

>So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

>

>__ Built my own

>

>__ Whatever the client runs

>

>__ Codebook

>

>__ COMCodebook

>

>__ MaxFrame Professional

>

>__ Visual Express

>

>__ Visual Extend

>

>__ Mere Mortals

>

>__ VFP Foundation Classes

>

>__ Visual ProMatrix

>

>__ Mere Mortals

>

>__ Other (please specify)

>

>__ All of the Above

>

>--

>Ted Roche

>Ted Roche & Associates, LLC

>http://www.tedroche.com

>

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Gojko B.

Posted: 2016-11-04 13:11:51   Link

Codemine

Gojko B.

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RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Kurt Wendt

Posted: 2016-11-04 13:37:44   Link

Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!

Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...

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Subject: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city), Massachusetts.

Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.

I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.

In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress, although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge and skills.

So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

__ Built my own

__ Whatever the client runs

__ Codebook

__ COMCodebook

__ MaxFrame Professional

__ Visual Express

__ Visual Extend

__ Mere Mortals

__ VFP Foundation Classes

__ Visual ProMatrix

__ Mere Mortals

__ Other (please specify)

__ All of the Above

--

Ted Roche

Ted Roche & Associates, LLC

http://www.tedroche.com

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2016-11-04 14:30:54   Link

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Wendt <Kurt_Wendt@globetax.com> wrote:

> Ted - You must have a Lot of extra time on your hands - what with creating all these Polls!

I type fast. And it's not like I haven't thought about this stuff for 25 years.

And my commute averages around zero minutes.

> Myself - never really worked within Frameworks. They just weren't used on the various jobs I worked at. I did work on this one system - where they guy had created Classes - and I used his existing classes to create new screens. But, that's about it...

That's the general consensus, it seems.

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RE: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Kevin J Cully

Posted: 2016-11-04 15:54:46   Link

I've done some work with Codebook, but by far I've done the most work with the West-Wind Web Connection framework. I've even worked some of the classes into my desktop applications. Light weight framework that just clicked with the way I thought.

I've had many many clients buy that framework for the projects that I've worked on.

-Kevin

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: Bill Anderson

Posted: 2016-11-04 17:36:35   Link

Ted,

Fox Express is my preferred framework. Grokking this framework is a great

educational experience.

I end up on a lot of VMP projects, so I know it's a popular framework,

probably the most popular VFP framework out there. I think of it as a

hybrid framework, a mix of RAD and OO. To me this comes off a bit of "Floor

Wax/Dessert Topping", except for one important feature -- it works.

Bill Anderson

On Friday, November 4, 2016, Ted Roche <tedroche@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been an advocate for frameworks since I read the original

> Codebook book, sitting in a parking lot in Cambridge (our fair city),

> Massachusetts.

>

> Imagine starting an application and not having to worry about how to

> get the menu working (Help, About, Copy/Cut/Paste, Print settings) and

> getting basic dialogs for things like managing reports, managing state

> between multiple non-modal forms, a rational (usually!) set of

> strategies for data handling, locking, conflict resolution, primary

> key generation, relational integrity, grids on tabbed pageframes, etc.

>

> I think frameworks are a great tool for fast startups, well-documented

> base classes, and handy utilities. Please feel free to disagree.

>

> In the 90's I was the manager for a group of developers and we worked

> as "experts" with clients with pre-existing apps, or designed and

> developed apps on our own. As such we got a lot of exposure to most of

> the frameworks. Drew Speedie (RIP!) started MaxFrame, now

> "Professional" while working as tech editor on Hacker's Guide, and I

> was an early and eager beta-tester, also shipping one of the first

> client-server MaxFrame apps. We worked with Visual Extend and with

> Mere Mortals and others. Sadly, I never got to work with FoxExpress,

> although I have the greatest of respect for Mike and Toni's knowledge

> and skills.

>

> So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

>

> __ Built my own

>

> __ Whatever the client runs

>

> __ Codebook

>

> __ COMCodebook

>

> __ MaxFrame Professional

>

> __ Visual Express

>

> __ Visual Extend

>

> __ Mere Mortals

>

> __ VFP Foundation Classes

>

> __ Visual ProMatrix

>

> __ Mere Mortals

>

> __ Other (please specify)

>

> __ All of the Above

>

> --

> Ted Roche

> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC

> http://www.tedroche.com

>

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Re: Friday Poll: What framework(s) do you use?

Author: mbsoftwaresolutions@mbsoftwaresolutions.com

Posted: 2016-11-04 21:38:32   Link

On 2016-11-04 10:29, Ted Roche wrote:

> So, what framework(s) do you work with, and why (or why not)?

>

> __ Built my own

Rolled my own years ago. Built on the logical n-tier concept. Been

serving MBSS very well since 2004!

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