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2016-06-17 08:21Man-wai Chang : Re: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?
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2016-06-21 15:01Ken Dibble : RE: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?
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[NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

Author: Ken Dibble

Posted: 2016-06-16 13:33:52   Link

We've been running an internal email system that is built into the

ClearOS operating system (a version of CentOS that functions as a

SAMBA 3 domain controller) for many years. Along with the ClearOS

SMTP/POP server, we've been running MailMan on the same machine to

provide an internal listserv capability. Unfortunately, I'm going to

have to discard ClearOS and go with a Windows AD domain server. I

want to preserve the internal email and listserve functionality, and

I want to run it on one of my new Linux Synology NAS clones.

There are a bazillion options for replacements and I don't have any

reliable basis on which to evaluate them.

Do any of you have recommendations for Linux SMTP/POP server software

that would be suitable for running an internal email system?

By "suitable for running an internal email system" I mean:

1. The system will not/cannot/must not communicate with, or be seen

from, the internet.

The ClearOS SMTP/POP server is configured to only accept, and send,

email within its own domain (though this may be achieved by tweaking

Linux ports rather than directly within the email server, given the

information provided in the next paragraph, I don't know). The host

machine is behind a NATing router that does not have any open ports

for email. I need an email server that can be configured in the same way.

Related to this, I would prefer the ability to configure how the SMTP

server responds to invalid input, including messages addressed to the

internet or to invalid internal addresses. The ClearOS server tries

to send these several times, at increasingly long intervals, so that

it takes 3 or more days to put out a bounce-back message, and this

configuration can't be changed. I would rather that bounce-backs take

place immediately.

2. Must provide all standard POP3 functionality (thank you, but I am

not looking for an explanation of why I should use IMAP instead),

including the ability to communicate with a fat Windows email client

that will sometimes tell it to retain email on the server for a period of time.

3. Free as in beer, preferably, but if not an option, then I would be

willing to pay a reasonable one-time license fee, not based on the

number of email accounts, for perpetual use. I am not willing to pay

for a "software as service" arrangement.

4. Because it is an internal server with no connection to the

internet, it does not have to have all of the high-paranoia-level

security features that an internet email server needs. I will cope

with it if it does not pemit plain text authentication, but plain

text authentication is perfectly adequate and completely safe for my purposes.

5. It doesn't have to have any built-in spam filtering.

The current CentOS SMTP/POP server has annoying spam filtering

features that are buggy and can't be turned off. For example, zip

file attachments (and sometimes docx and xlsx attachments, which are

just zip files) go missing, and it can choke on other unusual file

attachments. None of this nonsense is necessary and I would prefer

for nothing to be built-in that filters spam or messes with

attachments. If any such thing is built-in, it needs to be able to be

turned off, and stay off.

6. If it doesn't integrate true listserv capabilities (no fudging

with "aliases" or numerically-limited forwarding lists) like those of

MailMan, then it needs to be compatible with MailMan.

7. Traffic requirements: I don't know much about what sort of

resources a Linux SMTP/POP server requires. Currently we have about

120 email accounts, each with a 1 GB mailbox on the server, and the

NAS will accommodate that without even blinking. Conceivably someday

we could be looking at more like 250 accounts. To the extent to which

that affects speed/responsiveness, then that's a consideration.

8. Easy to set up and configure, and if not, then EXTREMELY well- and

reliably-documented.

9. <rant>Probably not an option, but, since I want an integrated

SMTP/POP server, then, for the sake of the Mother of All that is

Good, would it be too much to ask for an integrated validation system

in which, just for laughs, the SMTP server simply compares the

sender's address to the POP server's list of valid accounts for that

domain to determine whether or not to accept and relay an incoming

message, instead of performing bollocks-oriented "test sends" back to

the user that will fail if the user's inbox, the state of which bears

no rational relationship to the person's authorization, ability, or

need, to use the SMTP server to SEND email, is full, and calling it

"validation", which it is, emphatically, NOT?</rant>

Thanks for all of your suggestions and the benefit of your experience.

Ken Dibble

www.stic-cil.org

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Re: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

Author: Man-wai Chang

Posted: 2016-06-17 08:21:40   Link

Google "postfix dovecot" as a starting point!

https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=postfix+dovecot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=nvhjV6TvBIrM8gfG1oFI

Then google "linux perfect email server":

https://www.google.com.hk/search?q=linux+perfect+email+server&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=OvljV_rkBorM8gfG1oFI

And here is a comparison of mail server found via Google.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Ken Dibble <krdibble@stny.rr.com> wrote:

>

> There are a bazillion options for replacements and I don't have any reliable

> basis on which to evaluate them.

>

> Do any of you have recommendations for Linux SMTP/POP server software that

> would be suitable for running an internal email system?

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RE: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2016-06-17 09:19:24   Link

iRedmail, small reliable, scalable and most of all totally free!

Dave

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Sent: 16 June 2016 19:34

To: profox@leafe.com

Subject: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

We've been running an internal email system that is built into the ClearOS operating system (a version of CentOS that functions as a SAMBA 3 domain controller) for many years. Along with the ClearOS SMTP/POP server, we've been running MailMan on the same machine to provide an internal listserv capability. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to discard ClearOS and go with a Windows AD domain server. I want to preserve the internal email and listserve functionality, and I want to run it on one of my new Linux Synology NAS clones.

There are a bazillion options for replacements and I don't have any reliable basis on which to evaluate them.

Do any of you have recommendations for Linux SMTP/POP server software that would be suitable for running an internal email system?

By "suitable for running an internal email system" I mean:

1. The system will not/cannot/must not communicate with, or be seen from, the internet.

The ClearOS SMTP/POP server is configured to only accept, and send, email within its own domain (though this may be achieved by tweaking Linux ports rather than directly within the email server, given the information provided in the next paragraph, I don't know). The host machine is behind a NATing router that does not have any open ports for email. I need an email server that can be configured in the same way.

Related to this, I would prefer the ability to configure how the SMTP server responds to invalid input, including messages addressed to the internet or to invalid internal addresses. The ClearOS server tries to send these several times, at increasingly long intervals, so that it takes 3 or more days to put out a bounce-back message, and this configuration can't be changed. I would rather that bounce-backs take place immediately.

2. Must provide all standard POP3 functionality (thank you, but I am not looking for an explanation of why I should use IMAP instead), including the ability to communicate with a fat Windows email client that will sometimes tell it to retain email on the server for a period of time.

3. Free as in beer, preferably, but if not an option, then I would be willing to pay a reasonable one-time license fee, not based on the number of email accounts, for perpetual use. I am not willing to pay for a "software as service" arrangement.

4. Because it is an internal server with no connection to the internet, it does not have to have all of the high-paranoia-level security features that an internet email server needs. I will cope with it if it does not pemit plain text authentication, but plain text authentication is perfectly adequate and completely safe for my purposes.

5. It doesn't have to have any built-in spam filtering.

The current CentOS SMTP/POP server has annoying spam filtering features that are buggy and can't be turned off. For example, zip file attachments (and sometimes docx and xlsx attachments, which are just zip files) go missing, and it can choke on other unusual file attachments. None of this nonsense is necessary and I would prefer for nothing to be built-in that filters spam or messes with attachments. If any such thing is built-in, it needs to be able to be turned off, and stay off.

6. If it doesn't integrate true listserv capabilities (no fudging with "aliases" or numerically-limited forwarding lists) like those of MailMan, then it needs to be compatible with MailMan.

7. Traffic requirements: I don't know much about what sort of resources a Linux SMTP/POP server requires. Currently we have about

120 email accounts, each with a 1 GB mailbox on the server, and the NAS will accommodate that without even blinking. Conceivably someday we could be looking at more like 250 accounts. To the extent to which that affects speed/responsiveness, then that's a consideration.

8. Easy to set up and configure, and if not, then EXTREMELY well- and reliably-documented.

9. <rant>Probably not an option, but, since I want an integrated SMTP/POP server, then, for the sake of the Mother of All that is Good, would it be too much to ask for an integrated validation system in which, just for laughs, the SMTP server simply compares the sender's address to the POP server's list of valid accounts for that domain to determine whether or not to accept and relay an incoming message, instead of performing bollocks-oriented "test sends" back to the user that will fail if the user's inbox, the state of which bears no rational relationship to the person's authorization, ability, or need, to use the SMTP server to SEND email, is full, and calling it "validation", which it is, emphatically, NOT?</rant>

Thanks for all of your suggestions and the benefit of your experience.

Ken Dibble

www.stic-cil.org

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RE: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

Author: Ken Dibble

Posted: 2016-06-21 15:01:35   Link

Thank you very much, Dave. This looks very interesting.

Ken

>iRedmail, small reliable, scalable and most of all totally free!

>

>Dave

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble

>Sent: 16 June 2016 19:34

>To: profox@leafe.com

>Subject: [NF] Linux SMTP/POP Servers?

>

>We've been running an internal email system that is built into the

>ClearOS operating system (a version of CentOS that functions as a

>SAMBA 3 domain controller) for many years. Along with the ClearOS

>SMTP/POP server, we've been running MailMan on the same machine to

>provide an internal listserv capability. Unfortunately, I'm going to

>have to discard ClearOS and go with a Windows AD domain server. I

>want to preserve the internal email and listserve functionality, and

>I want to run it on one of my new Linux Synology NAS clones.

>

>There are a bazillion options for replacements and I don't have any

>reliable basis on which to evaluate them.

>

>Do any of you have recommendations for Linux SMTP/POP server

>software that would be suitable for running an internal email system?

>

>By "suitable for running an internal email system" I mean:

>

>1. The system will not/cannot/must not communicate with, or be seen

>from, the internet.

>

>The ClearOS SMTP/POP server is configured to only accept, and send,

>email within its own domain (though this may be achieved by tweaking

>Linux ports rather than directly within the email server, given the

>information provided in the next paragraph, I don't know). The host

>machine is behind a NATing router that does not have any open ports

>for email. I need an email server that can be configured in the same way.

>

>Related to this, I would prefer the ability to configure how the

>SMTP server responds to invalid input, including messages addressed

>to the internet or to invalid internal addresses. The ClearOS server

>tries to send these several times, at increasingly long intervals,

>so that it takes 3 or more days to put out a bounce-back message,

>and this configuration can't be changed. I would rather that

>bounce-backs take place immediately.

>

>2. Must provide all standard POP3 functionality (thank you, but I am

>not looking for an explanation of why I should use IMAP instead),

>including the ability to communicate with a fat Windows email client

>that will sometimes tell it to retain email on the server for a period of time.

>

>3. Free as in beer, preferably, but if not an option, then I would

>be willing to pay a reasonable one-time license fee, not based on

>the number of email accounts, for perpetual use. I am not willing to

>pay for a "software as service" arrangement.

>

>4. Because it is an internal server with no connection to the

>internet, it does not have to have all of the high-paranoia-level

>security features that an internet email server needs. I will cope

>with it if it does not pemit plain text authentication, but plain

>text authentication is perfectly adequate and completely safe for my purposes.

>

>5. It doesn't have to have any built-in spam filtering.

>

>The current CentOS SMTP/POP server has annoying spam filtering

>features that are buggy and can't be turned off. For example, zip

>file attachments (and sometimes docx and xlsx attachments, which are

>just zip files) go missing, and it can choke on other unusual file

>attachments. None of this nonsense is necessary and I would prefer

>for nothing to be built-in that filters spam or messes with

>attachments. If any such thing is built-in, it needs to be able to

>be turned off, and stay off.

>

>6. If it doesn't integrate true listserv capabilities (no fudging

>with "aliases" or numerically-limited forwarding lists) like those

>of MailMan, then it needs to be compatible with MailMan.

>

>7. Traffic requirements: I don't know much about what sort of

>resources a Linux SMTP/POP server requires. Currently we have about

>120 email accounts, each with a 1 GB mailbox on the server, and the

>NAS will accommodate that without even blinking. Conceivably someday

>we could be looking at more like 250 accounts. To the extent to

>which that affects speed/responsiveness, then that's a consideration.

>

>8. Easy to set up and configure, and if not, then EXTREMELY well-

>and reliably-documented.

>

>9. <rant>Probably not an option, but, since I want an integrated

>SMTP/POP server, then, for the sake of the Mother of All that is

>Good, would it be too much to ask for an integrated validation

>system in which, just for laughs, the SMTP server simply compares

>the sender's address to the POP server's list of valid accounts for

>that domain to determine whether or not to accept and relay an

>incoming message, instead of performing bollocks-oriented "test

>sends" back to the user that will fail if the user's inbox, the

>state of which bears no rational relationship to the person's

>authorization, ability, or need, to use the SMTP server to SEND

>email, is full, and calling it "validation", which it is,

>emphatically, NOT?</rant>

>

>Thanks for all of your suggestions and the benefit of your experience.

>

>Ken Dibble

>www.stic-cil.org

>

>

>

>

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