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2014-12-19 08:27Jeff Johnson : Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 08:51Dave Crozier : RE: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 08:57Allen : RE: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 09:01Jeff Johnson : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 09:20Ted Roche : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 09:57Alan Bourke : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 10:16Jeff Johnson : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-19 10:51Alan Bourke : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-20 04:23Thierry Nivelet : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
2014-12-20 07:55Jeff Johnson : Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site
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Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Jeff Johnson

Posted: 2014-12-19 08:27:28   Link

When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free

tables rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility

when changing file formats and I am not using any views on the web

programming.

TIA

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RE: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2014-12-19 08:51:45   Link

You lose the long field names facility. That may or may not be a factor in your decision. Personally I always use DBC's as it means that table maintenance is easier. People like Al just do not like them but I have always found them to be very reliable.

Dave

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When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free tables rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility when changing file formats and I am not using any views on the web programming.

TIA

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RE: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Allen

Posted: 2014-12-19 08:57:31   Link

No I hate them. Nothing but trouble.

I have users that move tables. It's not possible to do that with DBC's

Al

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You lose the long field names facility. That may or may not be a factor in

your decision. Personally I always use DBC's as it means that table

maintenance is easier. People like Al just do not like them but I have

always found them to be very reliable.

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Jeff Johnson

Posted: 2014-12-19 09:01:45   Link

Dave: I use them all the time in my applications, but adding a table or

changing a table structure is a pain on a remote machine that I have no

access to with a DBC.

On 12/19/2014 7:51 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

> You lose the long field names facility. That may or may not be a factor in your decision. Personally I always use DBC's as it means that table maintenance is easier. People like Al just do not like them but I have always found them to be very reliable.

>

> Dave

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson

> Sent: 19 December 2014 14:27

> To: profox@leafe.com

> Subject: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

>

> When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free tables rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility when changing file formats and I am not using any views on the web programming.

>

> TIA

>

> --

> Jeff

>

> Jeff Johnson

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Ted Roche

Posted: 2014-12-19 09:20:10   Link

There are a lot of ways to get access to a remote machine, as we keep

discussing here. You're going to need access to update and debug and

troubleshoot anyway.

Rick says WebConnect will work either way:

http://www.west-wind.com/wwThreads/default_frames.asp?Thread=3ZB14MOLH&MsgId=3ZC0F45AM

I'd suggest you use the framework and tools you're familiar with. If those

require a DBC, then remote access becomes a requirement for the

application, not the other way around.

I always use a DBC. And a framework. But that's just me. I support clients

who have everything from ported FoxBASE apps to every framework you've ever

heard of (except FoxExpress, strangely) and home-grown 'frameworks.' The

home-grown ones are more expensive to the client, hands-down.

Let's talk "tabs versus spaces" next. We haven't done that go-round in a

long time :) Or which server is "best." :)

Happy Friday, folks!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeff@san-dc.com> wrote:

>

> Dave: I use them all the time in my applications, but adding a table or

> changing a table structure is a pain on a remote machine that I have no

> access to with a DBC.

>

> On 12/19/2014 7:51 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

>

>> You lose the long field names facility. That may or may not be a factor

>> in your decision. Personally I always use DBC's as it means that table

>> maintenance is easier. People like Al just do not like them but I have

>> always found them to be very reliable.

>>

>> Dave

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: ProFox [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson

>> Sent: 19 December 2014 14:27

>> To: profox@leafe.com

>> Subject: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

>>

>> When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free tables

>> rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility when changing

>> file formats and I am not using any views on the web programming.

>>

>> TIA

>>

>> --

>> Jeff

>>

>> Jeff Johnson

>> jeff@san-dc.com

>> SanDC, Inc.

>> (623) 582-0323

>> SMS (602) 717-5476

>> Fax 623-869-0675

>>

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>> www.cremationtracker.com

>> www.agentrelationshipmanager.com

>>

>>

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2014-12-19 09:57:27   Link

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, at 03:01 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

> Dave: I use them all the time in my applications, but adding a table or

> changing a table structure is a pain on a remote machine that I have no

> access to with a DBC.

I don't understand why it would be any more difficult than doing it with

free tables.

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Jeff Johnson

Posted: 2014-12-19 10:16:56   Link

On 12/19/2014 8:57 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, at 03:01 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:

>> Dave: I use them all the time in my applications, but adding a table or

>> changing a table structure is a pain on a remote machine that I have no

>> access to with a DBC.

> I don't understand why it would be any more difficult than doing it with

> free tables.

>

>

I have no access to the web site at all. I have to send everything to

an IT person with instructions. I have a table update program using

Stonefield, but I have not automated it. I still have to fill in the

blanks.

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2014-12-19 10:51:28   Link

Gotcha.

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Thierry Nivelet

Posted: 2014-12-20 04:23:06   Link

We just installed a FoxInCloud application with this feature ...

Web site: upon startup, web app runs a program (ipData.prg) that adjust

the database and tables structure if needed (including views and stored

procs)

Local: a small VFP exe (ipMigrator.exe) doing this:

1- downloads ipData.prg from the web site, compiles and execute

(ensures that both sides have the very same database structure)

2- imports data from existing reference tables into the DB

(until other desktop apps have migrated to the new structure)

3- synchronizes data between local and the web site databases

(using a class supplied by FoxInCloud, 3 lines of code)

Here is the database diagram:

ftp://foxincloud.com/Screenshots/MCTG/ip.dbc.png

I can give you any other details you would like, including source code,

just let me know

Thierry Nivelet

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Le 19/12/2014 15:27, Jeff Johnson a écrit :

> When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free

> tables rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility

> when changing file formats and I am not using any views on the web

> programming.

>

> TIA

>

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Re: Free Tables vs. DBC on Web Site

Author: Jeff Johnson

Posted: 2014-12-20 07:55:19   Link

Terry: Thanks for that. Two questions, is there any overhead on the

web app running ipData.prg? For example, Stonefield's checking to see

if tables need updating has overhead if the database and tables are

large. Second is do your memo fields merge or overwrite? Many of my

memo fields have time stamped notes and overwriting would not be an

option. If someone on the web enters a note and someone on the local

computer enters a note, we need both of them.

Thanks!

On 12/20/2014 3:23 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote:

> We just installed a FoxInCloud application with this feature ...

>

> Web site: upon startup, web app runs a program (ipData.prg) that

> adjust the database and tables structure if needed (including views

> and stored procs)

>

> Local: a small VFP exe (ipMigrator.exe) doing this:

>

> 1- downloads ipData.prg from the web site, compiles and execute

> (ensures that both sides have the very same database structure)

> 2- imports data from existing reference tables into the DB

> (until other desktop apps have migrated to the new structure)

> 3- synchronizes data between local and the web site databases

> (using a class supplied by FoxInCloud, 3 lines of code)

>

> Here is the database diagram:

> ftp://foxincloud.com/Screenshots/MCTG/ip.dbc.png

>

> I can give you any other details you would like, including source

> code, just let me know

>

> Thierry Nivelet

> FoxInCloud

> Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

> http://foxincloud.com/

>

> Le 19/12/2014 15:27, Jeff Johnson a écrit :

>> When using something like Web Connection, is it better to use free

>> tables rather than a DBC? Without the DBC you have more flexibility

>> when changing file formats and I am not using any views on the web

>> programming.

>>

>> TIA

>>

>

>

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