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2014-11-24 06:12 – Dave Crozier : Basic 4 iDevices
2014-11-24 06:29 – Allen : RE: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-11-24 06:35 – Dave Crozier : RE: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-11-24 06:39 – Jean Laeremans : Re: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-11-24 06:52 – Allen : RE: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-12-02 16:53 – Mike Copeland : Re: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-12-02 23:29 – AndyHC : Re: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-12-02 23:39 – M Jarvis : Re: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-12-03 02:14 – Allen : RE: Basic 4 iDevices
2014-12-03 02:33 – Mike Copeland : Re: Basic 4 iDevices
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Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2014-11-24 06:12:15   Link

Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates).

The iDE runs on a standard PC and you can either develop using a cloud based MacOSX environment or using a Local MAC with the iOS device attached.

I have just converted over my Stock Application here at Flexipol onto iOS in about 2 hours and that time included setting up the IDE for the first time!

Now that the same environment/language is available for Android, iOS and Jave (B4J is COMPLETELY FREE!!!) it opens up a huge marketplace for developers.

http://www.basic4ppc.com/index.html All versions and free test downloads are available from here.

B4i is available at: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/b4i.html for $99 with 2 years updates and $125 if you want to use the Hosted Mac Builder.

Definitely Recommended

Dave

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RE: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Allen

Posted: 2014-11-24 06:29:51   Link

I looked at that. There seemed to be extra charges (not them) for compiling

if you didn't have an apple,plus you needed a fee to apple to put it on the

shop. I thought it was not worth it as android was free and better than IOS.

Al

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the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know

(Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for

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RE: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2014-11-24 06:35:04   Link

Al,

If you use the Remote "MAC hosted environment" provided by Anywhere Software then it is a little more expensive as a one off charge and yes, the APPLE 10% contribution (I Think) for putting your App in the store is just one of those things, unless of course you make it completely free!

Dave

P.S Have you started your "Healthy Living" phase after returning from Prague yet, or are you going to live the rest of your life as an "I Don't Care-ist"... lol! At least until after Christmas!

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I looked at that. There seemed to be extra charges (not them) for compiling if you didn't have an apple,plus you needed a fee to apple to put it on the shop. I thought it was not worth it as android was free and better than IOS.

Al

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Re: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Jean Laeremans

Posted: 2014-11-24 06:39:41   Link

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Dave Crozier <DaveC@flexipol.co.uk> wrote:

> P.S Have you started your "Healthy Living" phase after returning from

> Prague yet, or are you going to live the rest of your life as an "I Don't

> Care-ist"... lol! At least until after Christmas!

>

> Make a wild guess.. LOL

A+

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RE: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Allen

Posted: 2014-11-24 06:52:40   Link

To be honest, I don't like apple. I don't like being controlled by them.

As for the regime, Prague only put on 2lbs so I should be back on course

soon. Now Christmas is another thing.

I like the idea of a VFPers Prague trip. Or for that matter anywhere. Maybe

we can persuade Andy to hold one in India

Al

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Re: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Mike Copeland

Posted: 2014-12-02 16:53:06   Link

Dave,

I know you've already explained this before, but could you repeat how

you came to the conclusion that B4Android (or the other variations) was

the platform you wanted to jump to from VFP?

I'm in a similar situation now where I'm good with using VFP as a fat

client for Windows desktops, but tablets and phones are becoming more

and more desirable (and useful) for some of the tasks my fat-app does.

(I hear the wolves at the door and realize I can't ignore them forever.)

Thanks to others on this list I've also been making a serious effort

towards Python, but I confess I like the fences that VFP provides

(single IDE, lots of ways to do stuff, but a core VFP-way to do it.)

While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm

standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go.

Not looking for extensive reporting of your investigation prior to

choosing B4Android, just a succinct sales pitch (besides the obvious

price advantages!)

Thanks for anything you care to share.

Mike Copeland

Dave Crozier wrote:

> Those of you who were either interested in or actually purchased/downloaded the Basic4Android software that i rate very highly will be glad to know (Hopefully) that the equivalent software for i(devices) is now available for a limited time on a 2 year special discounted offer (All updates).

>

> The iDE runs on a standard PC and you can either develop using a cloud based MacOSX environment or using a Local MAC with the iOS device attached.

>

> I have just converted over my Stock Application here at Flexipol onto iOS in about 2 hours and that time included setting up the IDE for the first time!

>

> Now that the same environment/language is available for Android, iOS and Jave (B4J is COMPLETELY FREE!!!) it opens up a huge marketplace for developers.

>

> http://www.basic4ppc.com/index.html All versions and free test downloads are available from here.

>

> B4i is available at: http://www.basic4ppc.com/android/b4i.html for $99 with 2 years updates and $125 if you want to use the Hosted Mac Builder.

>

> Definitely Recommended

>

> Dave

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Re: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: AndyHC

Posted: 2014-12-02 23:29:12   Link

On 03/12/2014 04:23, Mike Copeland wrote:

> ... While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm

> standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go.

+1

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Re: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: M Jarvis

Posted: 2014-12-02 23:39:07   Link

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:29 PM, AndyHC <jarndice@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 03/12/2014 04:23, Mike Copeland wrote:

>

>> ... While Python is obviously flexible and powerful, I feel like I'm

>> standing in a huge open prairie with no idea which way to go.

>>

> +1

>

I've never made it much past Hello World.... maybe a simple form with an

"ok' button on it...

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RE: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Allen

Posted: 2014-12-03 02:14:22   Link

Hi foxgang

I tried it, well purchased it a while ago when Dave first mentioned it. But

recently I tried to make a simple app that called a web service and display

the reply. Ok I did some basic way back so I have some idea. But with

searches for what I needed it was fairly easy to do. So I now have my app on

the phone working in a few hours.

BTW it is not a replacement for VFP, it's an Android development so will not

take over your VFP development. However you can easily make web services in

VFP or .net that you can call.

Al

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Re: Basic 4 iDevices

Author: Mike Copeland

Posted: 2014-12-03 02:33:34   Link

Great feedback, Al.

Much thanks.

Given the constraints of a cellphone (4") or tablet (10") I'm not

thinking "port my Windows app to Android." But my clients want things

like a way for an employee who is not near a desktop computer to look up

inventory availability, prices, maybe even look up and email-forward an

invoice to a customer. With 4G cellphone throughput now being so

widespread, all of these functions have significant value and use. Some

of my competition have been adding such things to their offerings and my

customers are starting to ask Qs.

By the way, probably the biggest kick in the butt for me was last week

when on vacation. We were in a Nike Factory Outlet store and they were

using some incredible little battery operated Verifone gadgets...about

the size of a barcode inventory scanner to process sales. NO CASH

REGISTER (if you were paying by CCard.) They just scanned the

merchandise barcodes, then swiped your CCard, then had you sign with

your fingernail. If you wanted a printed receipt, there were a couple of

thermal printers nearby that were shared by all the terminals, or they

could email it to you. The best part was that the employee could process

CCard sales (which are 90% or more of all sales) anywhere in the

building, or in front of the building on the sidewalk, in seconds, with

one hand and no cord.

Okay, obviously I don't get out of the office enough, but THAT kind of

technology on a tablet is doable with a Square reader. The hard part for

my applications is that I need to capture name, address, phone, and

copious notes about delivery, so there will be SOME tap-typing (or voice

input...).

Most impressive to me about B4Android is that the company seems to be

aggressively moving forward, although appearances can be deceiving.

Thanks again.

Mike

Allen wrote:

> Hi foxgang

> I tried it, well purchased it a while ago when Dave first mentioned it. But

> recently I tried to make a simple app that called a web service and display

> the reply. Ok I did some basic way back so I have some idea. But with

> searches for what I needed it was fairly easy to do. So I now have my app on

> the phone working in a few hours.

> BTW it is not a replacement for VFP, it's an Android development so will not

> take over your VFP development. However you can easily make web services in

> VFP or .net that you can call.

> Al

>

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