Hi Foxgang
I'm getting very confused with virtualisation. Here is what I would like to
do.
One computer, which I need to upgrade the motherboard/proc to 64 bit
I would like to run a windows server and a linux server at the same time on
one box.
Is this what virtualisation does? Do you load, say windows and run Linux on
top. Or is it separate altogether?
Al
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Al,
Virtualisation requires a base operating system to run the "virtualiser" on for example VMWare. You could run windows 7 as a base machine with VMWare as a std program and in VMWare spin up a linux box and windows boxes etc that would run no problem. However, running Windows as the base operating system isn't the most efficient solution and Linux is best as the OS runs quicker, not having all the M$ Graphical stuff in it.
With Microsoft HyperV which runs on top of Microsoft Server you can do the same thing and my experience is that it is quicker and also free but it keeps you in the M$ camp exclusively!
I'll drop you an email re possibilities.
Dave
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Subject: [NF] Virtualisation
Hi Foxgang
I'm getting very confused with virtualisation. Here is what I would like to do.
One computer, which I need to upgrade the motherboard/proc to 64 bit
I would like to run a windows server and a linux server at the same time on one box.
Is this what virtualisation does? Do you load, say windows and run Linux on top. Or is it separate altogether?
Al
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Oh, and VMWare can also run under VSphere which is VMWare's own centralised controlling/base software. I think there is still a free version available to host a limited number of Virtual Servers. That way you dispense with the underlying O/S completely.
Dave
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Al,
Virtualisation requires a base operating system to run the "virtualiser" on for example VMWare. You could run windows 7 as a base machine with VMWare as a std program and in VMWare spin up a linux box and windows boxes etc that would run no problem. However, running Windows as the base operating system isn't the most efficient solution and Linux is best as the OS runs quicker, not having all the M$ Graphical stuff in it.
With Microsoft HyperV which runs on top of Microsoft Server you can do the same thing and my experience is that it is quicker and also free but it keeps you in the M$ camp exclusively!
I'll drop you an email re possibilities.
Dave
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Sent: 28 February 2014 09:20
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Subject: [NF] Virtualisation
Hi Foxgang
I'm getting very confused with virtualisation. Here is what I would like to do.
One computer, which I need to upgrade the motherboard/proc to 64 bit
I would like to run a windows server and a linux server at the same time on one box.
Is this what virtualisation does? Do you load, say windows and run Linux on top. Or is it separate altogether?
Al
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Thanks Dave
I'm not upset on using Microsoft. After all my work is done on that.
I was wondering about hardware level virtualisation which should mean the
box does it, I think.
The reason for the sudden interest is that net 4.5.1 does not work on server
2003. So I need to update. But I think Linux has more possibilities with
email servers and news groups than exchange, but I would like to do it on
one machine. Neither is a large overload.
Al
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Al,
Virtualisation requires a base operating system to run the "virtualiser" on
for example VMWare. You could run windows 7 as a base machine with VMWare as
a std program and in VMWare spin up a linux box and windows boxes etc that
would run no problem. However, running Windows as the base operating system
isn't the most efficient solution and Linux is best as the OS runs quicker,
not having all the M$ Graphical stuff in it.
With Microsoft HyperV which runs on top of Microsoft Server you can do the
same thing and my experience is that it is quicker and also free but it
keeps you in the M$ camp exclusively!
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Al,
I run Windows 7 as base with Vmware supporting 4 servers at home. Windows 8, 8.1, exchange and Linux on a 16Gb machine with i3 processor and all the VM's run no problem. The sevret if you do it this way is to make the underlying supporting O/S a virgin install and of course you have no need to do any updates to it as you will never use it in anger.
As I said, you can do away with Windows or Linux as the base if you use VCentre (was free and still may be) or HyperV (free) but I find the ease of having Win7 underlying is more convenient if a little less efficient.
Dave
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Sent: 28 February 2014 09:36
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Subject: RE: [NF] Virtualisation
Thanks Dave
I'm not upset on using Microsoft. After all my work is done on that.
I was wondering about hardware level virtualisation which should mean the box does it, I think.
The reason for the sudden interest is that net 4.5.1 does not work on server 2003. So I need to update. But I think Linux has more possibilities with email servers and news groups than exchange, but I would like to do it on one machine. Neither is a large overload.
Al
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Al,
Virtualisation requires a base operating system to run the "virtualiser" on for example VMWare. You could run windows 7 as a base machine with VMWare as a std program and in VMWare spin up a linux box and windows boxes etc that would run no problem. However, running Windows as the base operating system isn't the most efficient solution and Linux is best as the OS runs quicker, not having all the M$ Graphical stuff in it.
With Microsoft HyperV which runs on top of Microsoft Server you can do the same thing and my experience is that it is quicker and also free but it keeps you in the M$ camp exclusively!
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Thanks Dave.
I need to get a new proc anyway, I have a Celeron running 2003 and its not
enough for modern os's.
I will look into HyperV as I need a proc.
Maybe win 8.1 as the windows server. I have that on all other machines and I
do not need expensive server software.
Al
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Al,
I run Windows 7 as base with Vmware supporting 4 servers at home. Windows 8,
8.1, exchange and Linux on a 16Gb machine with i3 processor and all the VM's
run no problem. The sevret if you do it this way is to make the underlying
supporting O/S a virgin install and of course you have no need to do any
updates to it as you will never use it in anger.
As I said, you can do away with Windows or Linux as the base if you use
VCentre (was free and still may be) or HyperV (free) but I find the ease of
having Win7 underlying is more convenient if a little less efficient.
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Al <al@gatwicksoftware.com> wrote:
> One computer, which I need to upgrade the motherboard/proc to 64 bit
A host doesn't have to use a 64-bit operating system.
> I would like to run a windows server and a linux server at the same time on
> one box.
I am running Fedora 19 as a Virtualbox guest. The host OS is 64-bit Win 7.
> Is this what virtualisation does? Do you load, say windows and run Linux on
> top. Or is it separate altogether?
A virtual machine is very much like a game running in the background.
Each VM got its own virtual hardware devices, very much like a PC.
Don't forget to use Google to find more information! :)
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualization
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Thanks for that information
The reason I was looking at 64 bit was because modern servers seem to
require it. But of course there is no need for windows server as win 7 (or
8) have IIS built in.
Al
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A host doesn't have to use a 64-bit operating system.
Don't forget to use Google to find more information! :)
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualization
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Allen wrote:
>
> A host doesn't have to use a 64-bit operating system.
No - but (for example) 32-bit Windows 7 can use 4GB of RAM while 64-bit
can use 192GB of RAM, and you need lots of RAM to run VMs. For Windows 8
the figures are 4GB and 512GB.
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Al,
Did you get my email?
Dave
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Thanks for that information
The reason I was looking at 64 bit was because modern servers seem to require it. But of course there is no need for windows server as win 7 (or
8) have IIS built in.
Al
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A host doesn't have to use a 64-bit operating system.
Don't forget to use Google to find more information! :) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualization
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