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2012-06-13 16:08Michael Madigan : [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-13 16:31M Jarvis : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-13 17:47Michael Oke, II : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-13 20:32Stephen Russell : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-13 23:16Michael Madigan : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-13 23:53Michael Madigan : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-14 02:27Jean Laeremans : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-14 03:06Michael Madigan : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-14 03:42Alan Bourke : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
2012-06-14 09:00Gérard Lochon : Re: [NF] Legal keylogger
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[NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2012-06-13 16:08:45   Link

I have a client who has a labor-intensive computer business.  We create reports every night to measure the performance of every person in the office.  Every night my program counts the number of notes left on a case and the number of status changes.   

Most people work from 30-50 accounts per day.    Yesterday one person worked 2 accounts the whole day.  All the others had normal reports for yesterday, so I don't think it's an error on my part.  

I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly.   

I am thinking about adding key loggers to all the systems and then placing warning stickers on each computer that says, "Warning all computer activity is monitored".  

This way we can actually tell whether my program is accurately portraying her inactivity.   

Has anybody done this already, and if so, what are the legalities of doing it.

Mike 

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: M Jarvis

Posted: 2012-06-13 16:31:50   Link

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly.

>

Anyone who would fire someone simply because a computer said so is an idiot.

Stuff happens, accounts get bothersome, etc etc etc. Any number of

things can easily explain why she only worked 2 accounts. OTOH she

could be sitting there filing her nails for all anybody knows... if

it's a one off that's one thing; if it's systematic then they should

deal with it. Does she otherwise make her numbers/quota? If so I

wouldn't worry about it. If not - deal with it - that's what friggin

managers are for...

If you are (hopefully) using an application framework such that you

can change behavior on all your forms, perhaps the Account Entry

screen, that timestamps user/datetime each time it is opened. Or

timestamps for edits done on accounts/notes etc. I've done this before

for auditing purposes and it was easy peasy...

If you add a keylogger, how are you gonna know the keylogger is

working just as well or as poorly as your app?

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Michael Oke, II

Posted: 2012-06-13 17:47:47   Link

It is legal but might not be how you want to proceed. I'd make sure that the software was not at fault. That it works on the rest of the workstations might be a giveaway.

Michael Oke, II

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On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a client who has a labor-intensive computer business. We create reports every night to measure the performance of every person in the office. Every night my program counts the number of notes left on a case and the number of status changes.

>

> Most people work from 30-50 accounts per day. Yesterday one person worked 2 accounts the whole day. All the others had normal reports for yesterday, so I don't think it's an error on my part.

>

> I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly.

>

> I am thinking about adding key loggers to all the systems and then placing warning stickers on each computer that says, "Warning all computer activity is monitored".

>

> This way we can actually tell whether my program is accurately portraying her inactivity.

>

> Has anybody done this already, and if so, what are the legalities of doing it.

>

>

> Mike

>

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Stephen Russell

Posted: 2012-06-13 20:32:51   Link

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a client who has a labor-intensive computer business.  We create reports every night to measure the performance of every person in the office.  Every night my program counts the number of notes left on a case and the number of status changes.

>

> Most people work from 30-50 accounts per day.    Yesterday one person worked 2 accounts the whole day.  All the others had normal reports for yesterday, so I don't think it's an error on my part.

>

> I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly.

>

> I am thinking about adding key loggers to all the systems and then placing warning stickers on each computer that says, "Warning all computer activity is monitored".

>

> This way we can actually tell whether my program is accurately portraying her inactivity.

>

> Has anybody done this already, and if so, what are the legalities of doing it.

---------------------

You are asking for more problems here. You can track an IP

in other ways.

I'd focus on what progress they are making instead of what they are

not doing. Showing results is harder vs here is a huge list that you

have to do and you missed 3 points. Poof you are fired.

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Stephen Russell

Sr. Analyst

Ring Container Technology

Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2012-06-13 23:16:36   Link

The example I used is the difference between 30 accounts and 2 accounts. 

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a client who has a labor-intensive computer business.  We create reports every night to measure the performance of every person in the office.  Every night my program counts the number of notes left on a case and the number of status changes.

>

> Most people work from 30-50 accounts per day.    Yesterday one person worked 2 accounts the whole day.  All the others had normal reports for yesterday, so I don't think it's an error on my part.

>

> I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly.

>

> I am thinking about adding key loggers to all the systems and then placing warning stickers on each computer that says, "Warning all computer activity is monitored".

>

> This way we can actually tell whether my program is accurately portraying her inactivity.

>

> Has anybody done this already, and if so, what are the legalities of doing it.

---------------------

You are asking for more problems here.  You can track an IP

in other ways.

I'd focus on what progress they are making instead of what they are

not doing.  Showing results is harder vs here is a huge list that you

have to do and you missed 3 points.  Poof you are fired.

--

Stephen Russell

Sr. Analyst

Ring Container Technology

Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2012-06-13 23:53:17   Link

I agree.  It could also identify things we've never thought about.  We've had these systems in for years and have never done a comprehensive removal of even the games that have come with the systems. Pretty sloppy on my part.   

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It is legal but might not be how you want to proceed. I'd make sure that the software was not at fault. That it works on the rest of the workstations might be a giveaway.

Michael Oke, II

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On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Michael Madigan <mmadi10699@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a client who has a labor-intensive computer business.  We create reports every night to measure the performance of every person in the office.  Every night my program counts the number of notes left on a case and the number of status changes. 

>

> Most people work from 30-50 accounts per day.    Yesterday one person worked 2 accounts the whole day.  All the others had normal reports for yesterday, so I don't think it's an error on my part. 

>

> I am paranoid that If I have a bug in my software and I don't catch it, then someone will be fired unfairly. 

>

> I am thinking about adding key loggers to all the systems and then placing warning stickers on each computer that says, "Warning all computer activity is monitored". 

>

> This way we can actually tell whether my program is accurately portraying her inactivity. 

>

> Has anybody done this already, and if so, what are the legalities of doing it.

>

>

> Mike

>

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Jean Laeremans

Posted: 2012-06-14 02:27:34   Link

And i thought slavery was abolished in the States....

A+

jml

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2012-06-14 03:06:21   Link

How does making someone work for the hours that they are paid considered "slavery"? 

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And i thought slavery was abolished in the States....

A+

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2012-06-14 03:42:22   Link

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 02:08 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:

> and if so, what are the legalities of

> doing it.

Presuming you mean in the US:

http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/software/federal-and-state-wiretap-act-regulation-of-keyloggers-in-the-workplace

Seems to be a bit of a minefield.

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Re: [NF] Legal keylogger

Author: Gérard Lochon

Posted: 2012-06-14 09:00:36   Link

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> How does making someone work for the hours that they are paid considered

> "slavery"?

That'a a real question.

Who decides what salary is sufficient regarding work done and purposes of

good living ?

Gérard.

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