I am wondering if it's worth it as a replacement for VFP.

I am also looking into WINDEV.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

José Olavo Cerávolo

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Hi José,

I looked at an early beta of this product and was not impressed.

My personal, highly subjective opinion was this product is clunky and a

pain-in-the-ass to install with lots of dependencies.

The product itself is basically a code generator - but the beta version

I was running was going to straight to compilation and tossing the

generated code.

One possible fit might be for generating simple "utility" like apps

where one of the built-in templates ("models") matches your application

requirements.

Admittedly I'm a skeptic about this product, but I will be watching for

other opinions to see if the shipping version of Lightswitch has some

merit.

Malcolm

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Looking at writing something for the Droid with it.

John Harvey

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Hi José,

I looked at an early beta of this product and was not impressed.

My personal, highly subjective opinion was this product is clunky and a

pain-in-the-ass to install with lots of dependencies.

The product itself is basically a code generator - but the beta version I

was running was going to straight to compilation and tossing the generated

code.

One possible fit might be for generating simple "utility" like apps where

one of the built-in templates ("models") matches your application

requirements.

Admittedly I'm a skeptic about this product, but I will be watching for

other opinions to see if the shipping version of Lightswitch has some merit.

Malcolm

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Looked at a fairly late beta, it was like a lot of these tools -

fantastic as long as what you're doing falls into one of their

pre-cooked use cases. Once you start to deviate, the amount of work to

get it to do anything it doesn't want to means you might as well just

use IdeaBlade or something and do it all yourself.

I'm liking Servoy a lot at the minute.

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Hey Alan,

I'm glad you brought up Servoy - as I was going to suggest it here. The

only reason I was going to do this - is because the key guy on the

Servoy team (Ken Levy) recently e-mailed me (a bit like a sales pitch)

at my company e-mail here where I work by day. (Although - when I wrote

back to him - he actually did NOT Respond back to me - which I did NOT

take as a GOOD Sign - but, instead - proceeded to add me to his Mailing

list - and now I am getting Servoy Newsletter updates!)

So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct

replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it

completely different than FoxPro???

TIA,

Kurt

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Looked at a fairly late beta, it was like a lot of these tools -

fantastic as long as what you're doing falls into one of their

pre-cooked use cases. Once you start to deviate, the amount of work to

get it to do anything it doesn't want to means you might as well just

use IdeaBlade or something and do it all yourself.

I'm liking Servoy a lot at the minute.

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On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Kurt Wendt wrote:

> So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct

> replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it

> completely different than FoxPro???

I find it so interesting that you get that impression based on their marketing materials. That was exactly what I had imagined Servoy to be, because that's exactly how they are positioning it. Once you get a look at what creating a project in Servoy is like, or what migrating an existing VFP project to Servoy involves, I would be interested in hearing whether you felt that their marketing was accurate, or whether it was more of the bait-and-switch variety.

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Hi John,

>> Looking at writing something for the Droid with it.<<

Lightswitch to create Droid apps? Really interested in this since the generated app is Silverlight, not Java. I am

curious how this works.

Rick

White Light Computing, Inc.

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> So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct

> replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it

> completely different than FoxPro???

>

What is it first of all? Well, take a look at this:

http://wiki.servoy.com/display/public/DOCS/Servoy+stack+info

Essentially it's pre-rolled development stack using the popular

open-source components that you see above, and a customised version of

Eclipse as the IDE.

You code in Javascript which is compiled to server-side Java. Users

either run a 'smart client' which gives a rich, cross-platform UI (but

not using native controls) using Java WebStart, or just a normal

browser, enabling a less rich UI. The same forms and code will (largely)

work in both types of client with some restrictions on the browser

version.

Applications are deployed to an Application Server which publishes them.

As to the 'next FoxPro' claims ... what they have done is try to make it

conceptually very familiar to VFP people in a lot of ways. So it's very

form-centric, very oriented towards wasy drag & drop design, all the

underlying stack is hidden so you can get one with solving business

problems, and so on. It's also very easy to work with VFP data directly

- it's very database-agnostic as long as there is a JDBC driver for your

data sources.

It's Open Source now so pretty easy to evaluate - the stumbling block

remains the pricing of the Application Server component. They're pushing

the multi-tenant cloud model of deployment in a lot of ways.

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Me too. I was thinking of something that was just browser based, not really

an app.

John Harvey

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Hi John,

>> Looking at writing something for the Droid with it.<<

Lightswitch to create Droid apps? Really interested in this since the

generated app is Silverlight, not Java. I am curious how this works.

Rick

White Light Computing, Inc.

www.whitelightcomputing.com

www.swfox.net

www.rickschummer.com

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I am wondering why you want an alternative to VFP. It's not dead yet despite

the marketing , lies I think " of Servoy. 2015 isnt it before its dropped.

Anyway what makes Servoy any better than VFP. It's still an unknown as far

as clients are concerned.

Also Ken is not on the team. He is just a marketing gimmick.

Don't get me wrong, I have not tried it and due to the costs am unlikely to.

So I don't know what it is like for a programmer. Is it better than VFP or

just getting caught up with the marketing.

Allen

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Hey Alan,

I'm glad you brought up Servoy - as I was going to suggest it here. The

only reason I was going to do this - is because the key guy on the

Servoy team (Ken Levy) recently e-mailed me (a bit like a sales pitch)

at my company e-mail here where I work by day. (Although - when I wrote

back to him - he actually did NOT Respond back to me - which I did NOT

take as a GOOD Sign - but, instead - proceeded to add me to his Mailing

list - and now I am getting Servoy Newsletter updates!)

So - how do YOU Find Servoy? You say you seem to like it. Is it a direct

replacement for FoxPro? Is it basically FoxPro coding? Or - is it

completely different than FoxPro???

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