[OT] And the birth certificate doubts begin

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2011-04-28 21:24 – Nicholas Geti : [OT] And the birth certificate doubts begin

2011-04-28 21:50 – Jerry Foote : RE: [OT] And the birth certificate doubts begin

Author: Nicholas Geti

Posted: 2011-04-28 21:24:19 Link

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457

Today, Barack Obama blinked - releasing birth records he has hired lawyers to prevent the public from seeing, even at the expense of allowing U.S. Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin to be court-martialed and sent to prison for having dared ask questions the White House until now has resolutely dismissed with ridicule and disdain.

A key problem for Obama is that birth certificates issued to twin girls born one day later at Kapi'olani hospital, the Nordykes, are the Rosetta Stone of deciphering both Obama's previously released short-form Certification of Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth certificate.

Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457#ixzz1KrzJiOuu

The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008 presidential campaign has always been this:

a.. As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes.

b.. Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 - 61 - 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

c.. Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 - 61 - 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

d.. Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign - and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today - Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.

e.. Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 - 1961 - 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals. Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu. This is the only place birth certificate numbers were assigned.

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate. The date the birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?

Here are the Nordyke twins birth certificates:

Eleanor Nordyke has speculated that her twins received an earlier birth certificate number because, although she gave birth later than Ann Dunham, she entered Kapi'olani earlier.

Yet, in 1961, birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospital, and the date the mother checked into the medical facility was irrelevant to how birth certificate numbers were assigned.

Moreover, no records for Dunham having been a patient at Kapi'olani in 1961, or of Obama having been born at the hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, have been released by the hospital.

Now that President Obama has personally vouched for the authenticity of the birth certificate the White House released today, he can reasonably be asked to authorize Kapi'olani Medical Center to release any and all medical records the hospital may hold for his mother and Barack Obama Sr., his listed father.

The debate over Obama's eligibility to be president has truly only just begun, with Obama's status having changed overnight from a bemused observer to a full-contact participant.

Two weeks before the publication of my book "Where's the Birth Certificate?" the effort to document Obama's past has begun in earnest.

Fundamentally, the world changed for Barack Obama this morning, not just in increasing pressure for the release of the many hidden documents about his past, but in the inescapable reality that the White House must defend this newly released birth certificate as authentic.

Before today, Obama may have attempted to explain away problems with the short-form Certification of Live Birth as the work of his supporters.

Before today, the president largely remained above the fray. Now, he has fully engaged in the presentation and defense of his birth records and his status as a "natural born citizen" under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Obama's presidency now depends upon the White House being able to support the veracity of all the information contained in the birth document released yesterday morning.

In the final analysis, proof that the document is an authentic Obama birth record will await forensic examination.

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Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., has authored many books, including No. 1 N.Y. Times best-sellers "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command." Along with serving as WND's senior staff reporter, Corsi is a senior managing director at Gilford Securities.

Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457#ixzz1Ks3uIXoL

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RE: [OT] And the birth certificate doubts begin

Author: Jerry Foote

Posted: 2011-04-28 21:50:09 Link

The question of what is a natural born citizern was addressed in 1862.

Note the plural of parents and not owing allegiance to any foreign

sovereignty. His father had such a allegiance.

John BinghamJohn Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:

Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? [.] [P]ersons

born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other

sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to

this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the

Constitution relating to Indians.[13]

He reiterated his statement in 1866:

Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of

parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language

of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]

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Today, Barack Obama blinked - releasing birth records he has hired lawyers

to prevent the public from seeing, even at the expense of allowing U.S. Army

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin to be court-martialed and sent to prison for having

dared ask questions the White House until now has resolutely dismissed with

ridicule and disdain.

A key problem for Obama is that birth certificates issued to twin girls born

one day later at Kapi'olani hospital, the Nordykes, are the Rosetta Stone of

deciphering both Obama's previously released short-form Certification of

Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth

certificate.

Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama?

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=292457#ixzz1KrzJiOuu

The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008

presidential campaign has always been this:

a.. As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani

to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given

Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a

day earlier than the Nordykes.

b.. Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time

Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 - 61 - 10637, which was

filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

c.. Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time

Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 - 61 - 10638, which was also

filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

d.. Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by

FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign - and now according to

the long-form birth certificate the White House released today - Barack

Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.

e.. Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 - 1961 - 10641, even though

he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth

was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days

earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals.

Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii

Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu. This is the only place

birth certificate numbers were assigned.

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the

registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on

the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate. The date the

birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth

certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that

automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had

their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three

days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate,

when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?

Here are the Nordyke twins birth certificates:

Eleanor Nordyke has speculated that her twins received an earlier birth

certificate number because, although she gave birth later than Ann Dunham,

she entered Kapi'olani earlier.

Yet, in 1961, birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospital,

and the date the mother checked into the medical facility was irrelevant to

how birth certificate numbers were assigned.

Moreover, no records for Dunham having been a patient at Kapi'olani in 1961,

or of Obama having been born at the hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, have been

released by the hospital.

Now that President Obama has personally vouched for the authenticity of the

birth certificate the White House released today, he can reasonably be asked

to authorize Kapi'olani Medical Center to release any and all medical

records the hospital may hold for his mother and Barack Obama Sr., his

listed father.

The debate over Obama's eligibility to be president has truly only just

begun, with Obama's status having changed overnight from a bemused observer

to a full-contact participant.

Two weeks before the publication of my book "Where's the Birth Certificate?"

the effort to document Obama's past has begun in earnest.

Fundamentally, the world changed for Barack Obama this morning, not just in

increasing pressure for the release of the many hidden documents about his

past, but in the inescapable reality that the White House must defend this

newly released birth certificate as authentic.

Before today, Obama may have attempted to explain away problems with the

short-form Certification of Live Birth as the work of his supporters.

Before today, the president largely remained above the fray. Now, he has

fully engaged in the presentation and defense of his birth records and his

status as a "natural born citizen" under Article 2, Section 1 of the

Constitution.

Obama's presidency now depends upon the White House being able to support

the veracity of all the information contained in the birth document released

yesterday morning.

In the final analysis, proof that the document is an authentic Obama birth

record will await forensic examination.

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Jerome R. Corsi, a Harvard Ph.D., has authored many books, including No. 1

N.Y. Times best-sellers "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command." Along

with serving as WND's senior staff reporter, Corsi is a senior managing

director at Gilford Securities.