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2010-05-19 09:11Nicholas Geti : [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 09:41Stephen Russell : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 09:44Virgil Bierschwale : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 10:03Ricardo Aráoz : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 10:03Jean Laeremans : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 10:10Virgil Bierschwale : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 10:33Ricardo Aráoz : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 14:20Michael Madigan : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 14:21Michael Madigan : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
2010-05-19 14:23Michael Madigan : Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis
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[OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Nicholas Geti

Posted: 2010-05-19 09:11:31   Link

Haven't heard much from the U.S. bashers on this list about our financial woes. The 1 trillion to bail out Greece is only going to last one month. Then they are back in the tank. Their debit is now 120% of G.N.P.

Here's back at them http://tinyurl.com/2e8ht8q

"In some ways European banks are worse than ours. They're certainly less transparent," says our guest Chris Whalen, managing director at Institutional Risk Analytics. "It's a strange time. And I think it talks to the basic lack of competitiveness, the lack of productivity really in Europe. And you also have the same problem in the U.S. We just have the flexibility of being able to print money."

"For Europe, basically they have two options: Individual countries can continue to borrow money until they can't. Then they hit the wall," says fellow guest John Mauldin, president of Millennium Wave Advisors and author of the Thoughts from the Frontline e-letter. "Or they can willingly throw themselves into a Depression by cutting their deficits dramatically."

"I think the euro's going to parity. The pound's going to parity," Mauldin says. "And we're going to see the yen go to $100, then $125, then $150. Pretty soon we'll get a bid for $200 and $250," which will have huge implications for global trade.

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Stephen Russell

Posted: 2010-05-19 09:41:12   Link

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Nicholas Geti <ngeti@optonline.net> wrote:

> Haven't heard much from the U.S. bashers on this list about our financial woes. The 1 trillion to bail out Greece is only going to last one month. Then they are back in the tank. Their debit is now 120% of G.N.P.

>

> Here's back at them

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Virgil Bierschwale

Posted: 2010-05-19 09:44:27   Link

And yet most are in denal over here

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Ricardo Aráoz

Posted: 2010-05-19 10:03:12   Link

Stephen Russell wrote:

> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Nicholas Geti <ngeti@optonline.net> wrote:

>> Haven't heard much from the U.S. bashers on this list about our financial woes. The 1 trillion to bail out Greece is only going to last one month. Then they are back in the tank. Their debit is now 120% of G.N.P.

>>

>> Here's back at them http://tinyurl.com/2e8ht8q

>>

>> "In some ways European banks are worse than ours. They're certainly less transparent," says our guest Chris Whalen, managing director at Institutional Risk Analytics. "It's a strange time. And I think it talks to the basic lack of competitiveness, the lack of productivity really in Europe. And you also have the same problem in the U.S. We just have the flexibility of being able to print money."

>>

>> "For Europe, basically they have two options: Individual countries can continue to borrow money until they can't. Then they hit the wall," says fellow guest John Mauldin, president of Millennium Wave Advisors and author of the Thoughts from the Frontline e-letter. "Or they can willingly throw themselves into a Depression by cutting their deficits dramatically."

>>

>> "I think the euro's going to parity. The pound's going to parity," Mauldin says. "And we're going to see the yen go to $100, then $125, then $150. Pretty soon we'll get a bid for $200 and $250," which will have huge implications for global trade.

> ------------------

>

> But will China adjust the yuan so you can keep buying more crap?

>

> If I had the time this summer I would totally consider a trip to

> Europe. Euro could be < USD and that is why I woudl do it now. But

> I have to get my mom's house ready for sale. :(

>

And that may be a problem for you Yanks. It seems your economy is

starting to get out of the mess it was in (big debt though, internal and

external), and it would seem Europe is in for a rough ride, not only

Greece but Spain is in some trouble now. Problem with this is that

Germany was pressing to keep Euro up (they've been buying companies

abroad and high Euro favours them) but that will be probably impossible

now, so Euro will go down. That makes Europe more competitive in the

international market and makes the USD less competitive by comparison.

Stephen's reaction might be an example, USD flowing to Europe. How will

this impact on your recovering economy I have no clue.

BTW, now that you are getting out I don't seem to hear Obama's critics

anymore (at least on economic grounds). Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Jean Laeremans

Posted: 2010-05-19 10:03:37   Link

Some perspective : Greece represents about 2% of the euro economy.....

A+

jml

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Virgil Bierschwale

Posted: 2010-05-19 10:10:12   Link

Who is getting out

Lot of states and towns are broke

Worst is yet to come

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Ricardo Aráoz

Posted: 2010-05-19 10:33:20   Link

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Who is getting out

> Lot of states and towns are broke

>

Yeah, the chinese supermarket one block from home went bankrupt. So that

*evidently* means the country is in bad economic shape.

Not certain about this, but from what I've heard your economic

indicators are good right now.

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2010-05-19 14:20:33   Link

I think maybe a trip to Greece would be good for you, Steve. LOL

--- On Wed, 5/19/10, Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Stephen Russell <srussell705@gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

> To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com>

> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 9:41 AM

> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:11 AM,

> Nicholas Geti <ngeti@optonline.net>

> wrote:

> > Haven't heard much from the U.S. bashers on this list

> about our financial woes. The 1 trillion to bail out Greece

> is only going to last one month. Then they are back in the

> tank. Their debit is now 120% of G.N.P.

> >

> > Here's back at them

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2010-05-19 14:21:49   Link

The foreclosure rate is staggering.

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> From: Virgil Bierschwale <vbiersch@ktc.com>

> Subject: Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

> To: "ProFox Email List" <profox@leafe.com>

> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:10 AM

> Who is getting out

> Lot of states and towns are broke

>

> Worst is yet to come

> Sent from my BlackBerry

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Re: [OT] Europes Mounting Debt Crisis

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2010-05-19 14:23:42   Link

You heard what the Obama administration allowed you to hear. We have corporate profits up, compared to a dismal 2009, but there is no hiring. Corporations have decided to try their best not to hire people to increase profits

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